2026-02-16

Wrede Club: Some Recent Examples of “Wredegeheimnis” (2)

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by Tim Widowfield

In this post, we’ll examine the arguments against Wrede presented by Ian Mills on Derek Lambert’s Mythvision Podcast. I’ll start with a list of things he gets right, and then we’ll see where he flies off the rails.

What Ian Gets Right

      • John S. Kloppenborg: “The spell of Mark would not be broken until Wilhelm Wrede demonstrated that the ‘messianic consciousness’ that was so fundamental to the liberal lives was a creation of Mark (Wrede 1901; ET 1971).” (p. 12) [Note: Wrede said it was not a creation of Mark.]
      • Candida Moss: “In 1901, William Wrede argued that these sayings form part of a ‘Messianic Secret’ in Mark in which the identity of Jesus is concealed in order to explain how Jesus came to be crucified (Wrede 1971).” (see p. 247). [Note: Wrede said it arose within the tradition in order to explain why no one knew Jesus was the messiah before the resurrection.]
  • He pronounces Wrede correctly. I recently watched a short (slightly over 3-minute) YouTube video, and at least for the time being I won’t link to it here. Suffice it to say, when the professor in the video pronounced Wrede as “VAIR-duh,” my jaw dropped. I watched the longer, related video behind a paywall, and I can confirm that it was not a momentary lapse.
  • He says that Wrede identified a persistent motif of secrecy that is found chiefly in Mark.
  • He rightly believes that Wrede’s methodology was the forerunner of literary-narrative approaches to the Gospels.
  • He says Wrede is the forefather of redaction criticism.
  • He correctly identifies (at least partially) Wrede’s solution: The historical Jesus never claimed to be the Messiah. (5:32)

All of this is encouraging. He’s off to a good start.

What Ian Gets Wrong

Problems begin at 4:00. He says that almost no one agrees anymore with Wrede’s solution. That may or may not be true, but what does he think Wrede’s solution is? This is extremely important, because if we don’t know what Wrede actually said — if we get it wrong — then our criticisms of the solution are useless. We are arguing with a Wrede of our own construction.

I’ll quote directly from the video. (YouTube’s transcript is immensely useful here.) Continue reading “Wrede Club: Some Recent Examples of “Wredegeheimnis” (2)”


The Gospel of Mark as a Dark, Honest Beginning for Confused and Disoriented Jesus Followers?

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fearing jesusIf we read the Gospel of Mark as one of the foundational documents of what became “orthodox Christianity” — it is, after all, widely acknowledged to be the earliest of our canonical gospels — we might do well to read it “on its own terms”, and not through the perspectives of Matthew, Luke and John. In 2023 I attempted to explain what happens when we do this: Reading the Gospel of Mark Alone — Imagine No Other Gospels. Read alone, in isolation from the other gospels, it is most emphatically “a dark gospel” that leaves the modern reader in some despair, horror and fear:

— Jesus appears from nowhere, witnesses the rupture of the cosmos, is driven by an unexplained power, utters a call that compels hearers to drop all their livelihoods and instantly follow him, hides the meaning of his words from his audiences, rebukes both spirit and human powers who claim to know him, even tormenting those with such spirits by convulsions and screams, terrifies his followers when he displays unnatural powers as when he walks on water and stills a storm, then finally abandons his fearfully mute devotees to a messenger who tells them he’s left for Galilee.

Modern readers, however, prefer to “study” Mark’s gospel: as a gateway to historical data about Jesus, as a theological narrative that fleshed out the writings of Paul, as an attack on The Twelve, and so forth.

Let’s step back a moment. Imagine you are in an audience who had never heard a reading of a written narrative about Jesus before. Maybe, if you want to imagine Mark as a second century gospel, you can imagine, instead, that you have only previously heard Marcion’s gospel about a Jesus who was a son of a higher Good God. How are you going to react to your first hearing of the narrative about Jesus as per the Gospel of Mark?

I suggest you will hear it as a story. You will not hear it as a theological puzzle to be deciphered by a theologian, or as a stunning literary irony to be analyzed by a literary critic, or as the earliest attempt to document the life of a person of special interest to a historian.

You are going to hear a story of a Jesus no-one can quite grasp or comprehend, a Jesus who leaves his followers confused, a story of disciples whose earlier confidence had been shattered and who ended up fearful and speechless. No-one even saw the resurrected Jesus. Yet in all their confusion and disillusionment they still had faith.

Imagine if the Gospel of Mark had been written for survivors of the direst of calamities — in the wake of the events of 70 CE perhaps, but possibly even in the wake of repeated messianic failures and dashed hopes of the rebellions under Trajan, and then the final cruel desolation left by Hadrian in 135 CE. The hope many had found in John’s Apocalypse had been dashed, the earlier promise that Jesus would come had been found to be another mysterious figure of speech like all those other words of his that seemed so clear but only to “the blind”.

Can we imagine the Gospel of Mark being written for those who remained faithful despite all their failed hopes, despite the collapse of all they thought they had understood about Jesus and their own destiny as his followers?

If Marcion had responded by turning his back on the Jewish Scriptures, did “Mark” respond by inverting the supremacist promises of the Jewish scriptures, finding fulfilled victory ironically in the crucifixion?

If that was the origin of the Gospel of Mark it becomes obvious why it could not be allowed to stand as the last word. Clarity and reassuring signs of faith are necessary for a stable and enduring religion. Enter Matthew and Luke for that purpose. John got rid of apocalyptic hopes entirely and offered a faith where fulfillment was found in the here and now.

 


2026-02-13

Wrede Club: Some Recent Examples of “Wredegeheimnis” (1)

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by Tim Widowfield

Why is this important?

If we want an honest discussion about what Wrede got wrong or right, we need to know what he really said. Scholars often make two variations on the same mistake.

1. Claiming Wrede said something  he actually never said.

2. Claiming Wrede failed to say something that he actually did say.

An honest discussion cannot arise from incorrect baseline data.

This post isn’t part of the series, “Reading Wrede Again for the First Time,” but is more or less an excursus on the state of deficient scholarship surrounding William Wrede and the Messianic Secret (das Messiasgeheimnis). I’m trying out the term Wredegeheimnis to describe the hidden or “Secret Wrede” in modern NT studies.

We’ll take a closer look at some recent examples. By the way, I don’t expect things to improve in Wrede Club. I’m not a scholar, just a guy who reads.

Reigning Champion: Wikipedia

Yes, I fully support the concept of Wikipedia, but I recognize that its execution often falls short of its potential. Wikimedia is part of the overall universe of free and open discourse, which is important now more than ever. However, the article on the Messianic Secret is a complete dog’s breakfast. I will highlight some of the more egregious mistakes below.

♦ How Did the Secrecy Motif Originate?

Wrede suggested that this theme was not historical but was an addition by the author of Mark. [Main topic, para. 2] 

No. Wrede held that the author of Mark is not responsible for the theme. It was present in the sources that he had at his disposal. I must point out here that the German Wikipedia page on the Gospel of Mark gets it right.

Das Messiasgeheimnis ist eine von William Wrede erstmals als dogmatisches Konstrukt erkannte Theorie des Markusevangeliums. Er schrieb dieses jedoch der vormarkinischen Tradition zu und benannte drei Elemente dieser Theorie: Schweigegebote an Dämonen, Geheilte und Jünger, Unverständnis und Unglaube der Jünger und die Parabelbelehrung.

The Messianic Secret is a theory of the Gospel of Mark first recognized as a dogmatic construct by William Wrede. However, he attributed it to the pre-Markan tradition. He named three elements of this theory: commands of silence to demons, healed people, and disciples; the disciples’ lack of understanding and their unbelief; and his teaching in parables. (My translation, emphasis mine)

As an aside, the Encyclopaedia Britannica also gets it wrong.

According to Wrede, Mark’s solution was: Jesus always knew it but kept it a secret for the inner group. (emphasis mine)

That’s incorrect. It was never “Mark’s solution.” According to Wrede, there were at least two strands of tradition available to the author of Mark: one in which Jesus keeps his Messiahship a secret, and another in which everyone knows he’s the anointed Son of God. (Wrede also points to another source of tension against the Messianic Secret tradition, namely the fact that the author’s purpose for writing the Gospel is to prove Jesus was the Messiah! We’ll look at this point more closely in a future post.)

♦ Did Wrede Renounce Markan Priority?

…Mark was the source for Luke and Matthew. There are indeed very strong reasons for this. I will mention a few. [Wrede 1907]

The Wikipedia authors declare:

Wrede’s theory had an inherent inter-relationship with the hypothesis of Markan priority, which Wrede eventually abandoned, but some of his followers accepted. [Main topic, para. 3] 

Wrede never abandoned the concept of Markan priority. The authors of this paragraph on Wikipedia have misread and cited Christology and the Synoptic Problem by Peter M. Head. They may have been confused by this sentence: Continue reading “Wrede Club: Some Recent Examples of “Wredegeheimnis” (1)”


2026-02-06

Reading Wrede Again for the First Time, Part 12

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William Wrede’s The Messianic Secret

Part 12: Secrecy in the Gospel of John

I can hardly believe that my last post in this series appeared here a decade ago. Yes, I knew I hadn’t finished, but never underestimate the power of inertia. Oddly enough, a random YouTube video caused me return to Wrede (and the scholars who don’t read him). Apparently, YouTube’s algorithm noticed I was searching for New Testament videos, and it showed me an NT Pod episode from the lovely Mark Goodacre.

Over that past decade, I haven’t exactly abandoned New Testament studies, but I have spent the bulk of my time reading modern history — mostly books about critical eras, like the decades leading up to the Russian Revolution and the American Civil War. This year, if time permits, I would like to write about these “pregnant” periods in history here on Vridar.

The first rule of Wrede Club is: Nobody reads Wrede

WREDE CLUB  300x182The fact that Goodacre published a book about John’s obvious familiarity with the Synoptic Gospels is great news. I especially love the provocative title: The Fourth Synoptic Gospel. Longtime readers of Vridar will know that Neil and I have often written about how and why John rewrote the Synoptics, especially Mark. And here’s a bonus: The book contains a section entitled “The Revelation of the Hidden Messiah.” He’s referring to the Messianic Secret! Hence, we have two of my favorite subjects inside one dust jacket.

So you can imagine my disappointment when I read the following line:

There is, however, something still more fundamental. John shares with the Synoptics the same literary conceit, that the story is one in which Jesus’s identity is hidden, only to be retrospectively understood in the light of the resurrection. Just as Kähler’s “passion narrative with an extended introduction” gets forgotten when it comes to John, so too William Wrede’s Messianic Secret is usually remembered as a study of Mark’s Gospel alone. (Goodacre 2025, p. 38, emphasis mine)

This statement somewhat improves on what he wrote in his earlier article in John’s Transformation of Mark.

There is, however, something still more fundamental. John shares Mark’s basic literary conceit that the story is one in which Jesus’ identity is hidden only to be retrospectively understood after the resurrection. Just as Kähler’s ‘passion narrative with an extended introduction’ gets forgotten when it comes to John, so too William Wrede’s Messianic Secret is all too often focused solely on Mark. (Goodacre 2021, p. 86, emphasis mine)

In his original statement, Goodacre implied that Wrede focused solely on Mark; however, upon further reflection (presumably), he said he’s merely remembered that way. And it’s a false memory. Consider how strange it would be to criticize a book originally entitled Das Messiangeheimnis in den Evanglien (plural) for concentrating “solely on Mark.” Note that the original German text spans about 300 pages, and close to half of those pages focus on the other three canonical Gospels. Wrede’s chapter on the fourth Gospel runs 27 pages, which is not insignificant.

Why am I disappointed? Because that’s it. Wrede wrote a book about the Messianic Secret. Yada-yada-yada.

yaddaSo, what sorts of insights and conclusions did Wrede come to after analyzing John’s Gospel through the lens of secrecy and “hiddenness”? How did the secrecy motif evolve through Matthew then Luke, and finally to John?  How did Wrede compare John to Mark? Goodacre doesn’t say. As is so common in modern NT Studies, we are given the “that,” but not the “what.” We’re told that Wrede wrote a book about the Messianic Secret, but he stands to the side as a kind of mute witness. Continue reading “Reading Wrede Again for the First Time, Part 12”


2026-01-26

A Second Allard Pierson translation

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by Neil Godfrey

I have added another translation to the Allard Pierson page. This one is titled The Sermon on the Mount and Other Synoptic Fragments [= De bergrede en andere synoptische fragmenten]. The first part of the book is a discussion of the flawed methods traditionally used to study the gospels, many of which have been repeatedly addressed on this blog. So we’re not alone, and our critiques are not new.


2026-01-24

Allard PIERSON — Two Works Translated to English

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by Neil Godfrey

Two works of the pioneering “Dutch Radical” Allard Pierson are now available in English:

The Sermon on the Mount and Other Synoptic Fragments, 1878

Contents:

— On Certain Flaws in the Method of Criticism of the Synoptic Gospels (Parts I and II)

— Synoptic fragments

—- I. The Sermon on the Mount.

—- II. On fasting

—- III. In the grainfield

Original Dutch file: De Bergrede en andere synoptische fragmenten (I used this text for the translation)
See also the Google books file: De bergrede en andere synoptische fragmenten

Also by Allard Pierson, with Samuel Adrian Naber:

 Probabilities [= Verisimilia], 1886

Original Dutch file: Verisimilia at archive.org

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Schweitzer, Albert. 2001. The Quest of the Historical Jesus. Fortress Press, on Pierson and Naber, and Verisimilia:

The radical Dutch thinkers denied the authenticity of the Pauline epistles. They could not accept that the thoughts contained in the epistles to the Romans, Corinthians and Galatians were the product of the middle of the first century and that they reflected the views of primitive Christianity. However, most of them still believed in the existence of Jesus, even though they maintained that it was the disciples who first made him into the Messiah. Only S. Hoekstra, Allard Pierson and Samuel Adrian Naber doubted whether the Gospels contained any historical information. (356)

In the Verisimilia Pierson and Naber offer the mythical interpretation; however, they hint at it more than developing it and giving reasons for it. (528)

 

 

 


2026-01-22

Why Jesus Was Made a Personification of Israel and the Church

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by Neil Godfrey

I have been intrigued by the idea that the Gospel of Mark narrates Jesus as a personification of the ideal Israel. What prompted the author to write about Jesus this way?

The answer to that question is found in the documents of the second century. (Bear with me: I am of the view that the Gospel of Mark was most likely written in the middle of the second century, post the Bar Kochba war, post Marcion — and in response to both.)

Justin Martyr, writing around the same time, wrote that the Jewish Bible declared the Messiah was to bear the name of “Israel”. He was referring to a prophecy in Isaiah about the Suffering Servant. A little later Heracleon, a student of Valentinus, made a similar point on the Gospel of John, that Jesus was understood to be a symbol, this time of the church.

Justin in Dialogue with Trypho, 123:9

I continued: “Again in Isaiah, if you have ears to hear it, God, speaking of Christ in parable, calls Him Jacob and Israel. He speaks thus: ‘Jacob is my servant, I will uphold Him; Israel is mine elect, I will put my Spirit upon Him, and He shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. He shall not strive, nor cry, neither shall any one hear His voice in the street: a bruised reed He shall not break, and smoking flax He shall not quench; but He shall bring forth judgment to truth: He shall shine, and shall not be broken till He have set judgment on the earth. And in His name shall the Gentiles trust.’

Heracleon (170s CE) is cited by the third century Origen as declaring that Jesus’ resurrection is the foreshadowing of the Church and its resurrection. Origen agrees, but this is a much easier link to make since it is based on the clearly symbolic motifs in the Gospel of John.

As for the Gospel of Mark, what interests me is that the idea of the messiah embodying the suffering servant of Israel was part of the discussion around the time of Marcion.

Now Marcion’s messiah or christ was not a “type” of Israel but an antithesis of everything to be found in the Jewish bible. If one had in mind to counter Marcion’s gospel, one could not do better than portray a christ who was embedded in a prophecy in Isaiah.

Hence the Gospel of Mark’s Jesus, like Israel in symbolic form, experiences

  • an exodus through the waters
  • 40 days in the wilderness, tempted
  • giving life and healing, including to nearby gentiles
  • the proclaiming of the divine message
  • is conquered by enemies — crucified — destroyed (the rock-hewn tomb of Jesus recalls another Isaianic text about the destruction of the temple)

Many studies demonstrate this Gospel’s comprehensive intertextuality with Isaiah.

One might even think of the author quilting a life of Jesus from themes and images in Isaiah (and other OT books). Why? As a rebuttal to Marcion? As an attempt to find a new meaning in the wake of the wars against the Judeans climaxing in the years of Bar Kochba? I suspect so. Marcion’s efforts have been interpreted as inspired by the same motivation, but he went too far in opposition to the OT for some.

It is surely clear that interpreting the Gospel of Mark’s Jesus this way is not a modern concoction. It surely emerged in a time when that notion of Christ was part of the broader discussion.


2026-01-17

The Gospel of John Shaped by Greek-Judean Philosophy and the God Dionysus

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Many have written about the influences of Philo and the god Dionysus on the Gospel of John, but for extensive detail and placing it in the broader context it is hard to surpass Julius Grill.

Anyone interested in the Gospel of John and its

  • strong themes of the god Dionysus on Jesus
  • indebtedness to Philo’s discussion of the Logos/Word
  • closely related Persian, Buddhist and Hindu concepts
  • very different Jesus from that of the synoptic gospels
  • and analysis of why the gospel was written

will find something of note in the two volumes on the Fourth Evangelist by Julius Grill — now “translated” from the German. I was alerted to Grill’s study by Robert Vipper who wrote:

A number of studies in Gospel criticism (particularly noteworthy is the work of Grill: Untersuchungen ϋber die Entstehung des vierten Evangeliums [=Studies on the Origin of the Fourth Gospel], 1908 and 1924) established the fact of the late origin of these works and their dependence on religious-philosophical currents in the literature of the 2nd century. (Vipper, 120 – translation, my bolding)

But a warning! I said that I “translated” Grill’s study. It might almost be better to say that I have “transcribed” it from the German. My initial motivation was to have a copy for my personal use only. I did not expect to make it public at the time. In a strenuous effort to avoid the AI translator from creative whims when translating, I set the parameters so strict that the result reads more like a word-for-word transposition from German to English. This can make it a tiring read. But for what it’s worth, here it is for anyone interested enough to make the effort.

The English language files are available at  Julius GRILL – Origin of the Gospel of John Translated (see the right margin for this and other translation links).

  • Vipper, Robert Iu. Rim i rannee khristianstvo
    [Rome and Early Christianity]. Moscow: Izdatelʹstvo Akademii Nauk SSSR, 1954.

2026-01-15

Comment on Gabriele Boccaccini’s Discussion about Nina Livesey and Paul’s Letters

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by Neil Godfrey

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Gabriele Boccaccini

Here I am making a few responses to Professor Gabriele Boccaccini’s discussion that I translated — see the previouso post. (Note: I did not make the transcription — that was supplied by the homesite of the video, and it was machine generated. I used AI to assist in translating it.)

The first point of note was the following:

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Nina Livesey is a colleague from Rome. Her book, however, needs to be clarified somewhat, because it does not actually claim outright that Paul did not exist. She presents a fairly nuanced version of this issue.

Yes indeed.

Boccaccini, as did Livesey herself, explained to audiences what has gone before in the scholarship. It’s a bit like knowing one’s history. To be ignorant of history is to remain forever a child, someone said. To contribute meaningfully to a discussion it is important to take a little time to listen to what has been said before one chimes in with new ideas. . . .

8:46
When one wants to assess the seriousness of certain arguments, one must place them within a line of discussion. Scholarly hypotheses do not arise because one of us wakes up one morning and suddenly produces some radical novelty.

Another point worth keeping in mind . . .

28:04
What I would also like to clarify is that there was never a single, unified Christianity that later fractured. Such a monolithic religion never existed

Yet it seems to me that many scholars have written forgetting this point. This arises from the assumption that the gospels are the product of an oral tradition that began with historical events, and that passed on those historical events, and that gospel authors were keen to pick up those traditions and with pious intent (and exaggerations) record them for posterity. Paul’s letters, it is assumed, were related in some way to the group behind that oral tradition. That is all assumption. It is based on another assumption — that the gospels represent sincere attempts to portray a historical figure.

Readers impatient to get to the nitty gritty of Boccaccini’s discussion of Livesey’s thesis, begin here . . . .

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This brings us, at least in part, to the substance of Nina Livesey’s book.

Boccaccini’s difficulties with dating Paul’s letters to the second century are set out in this slide:

slide5aHere I think Boccaccini has missed a key point. Livesey is asking us to consider the scenario where the letters did not exist singly prior to their inclusion in a corpus. No. The letters were written from the beginning to be part of a corpus. That answers B’s first criticism above.

On the second point, I wonder if B is assuming that the present state of the letters is the same as their original state. I think there is much evidence for rival theological groups tampering and altering the letters after they were presented by Marcion. So I think that answers B’s second difficulty.

The third point (Hellenistic origin should be better understood as “Greek/gentile origin” to avoid confusion with “the Hellenistic period”) is pointing to what is known as the “new perspective” on Paul. Further on in the discussion B explains his point when he introduces the last slide (1:41:54) in his presentation: he argues that some “recent” scholarship argues for the “Jewishness” of Paul and that such a view of Paul is best explained as a first century phenomenon. B argues that the NP on Paul is a good explanation for how the “Jesus movement” developed, how it shifted from Jewishness to something more open. My response is that the singular “Jesus movement” is an assumption: see 28:04 above, the same point B himself made.

Two responses: 1. the New Perspective on Paul (that he was more Jewish in his thinking than generally realized) is a hypothesis, and interpretation, and not a fact. It is open to revision or even being discarded; 2. If the NP proves to be valid, it may mean little more in the end than that Marcionism needs to be understood with more nuance. NP is a hypothesis and not a fact that must be weighed in assessing a date for the letters.

B in the following is continuing with his assumption that the letters existed singly prior to being found in a corpus:

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Why is Paul transmitted as a corpus? Obviously, transmitting an author as a corpus has the function of homogenizing the author’s thought.

and again,

1:12:59
Paul cannot be transmitted as a single, isolated letter; Paul must always be seen as a corpus. The function of the corpus is always to homogenize. .

Letters were known to be published as a corpus. Pliny the Younger’s letters were published as such. So were Seneca’s as Livesey, I think, points out. I am not sure that there is any reason to think that the original corpus contained contradictions that needing “homogenizing”.

39:51
Thus, if Marcion and later the Church Fathers attribute a corpus of writings to a particular author, this means that the author was already famous.

40:06
. . . knowledge of Paul must predate the moment when the corpus itself is formed—pushing us back to the beginning of the second century or even earlier.

Literature has had a history of being attributed to hitherto unknown or at least relatively unknown persons who thereby take on a new persona and become famous. See my comment at https://vridar.org/2026/01/12/nina-livesey-and-the-authenticity-of-pauls-letters-a-critical-response/#comment-358607. Robert Vipper wrote in his work on the origin of the Christian literature:

How this book came into the hands of Marcion, whence the legend of the apostle Paul and the very name Paul arose—these questions will hardly ever be resolved. Even for the contemporaries of the publication of the “Epistles” this was a difficult riddle; 25-30 years after their appearance the author of the “Acts of the Apostles” could advance on the question of the personality and activity of the apostle Paul only hypotheses, conjectures, combinations. Judging by how highly Marcion valued the collection of letters of the apostle Paul, one may suppose that he believed both in the real existence of the apostle himself and in the work accomplished by him. But another supposition is also possible: Marcion, a native of Pontic Sinope, may have had memories of a remarkable Asia Minor organizer and preacher named Paul, into whose mouth the compiler of the “Epistles” (whether Marcion himself or someone else from his school) placed his own thoughts, his own system of doctrine, in the same way that Plato set forth the entire rich content of his philosophy—the proof of the immortality of the soul, the hymn to universal Eros, the teaching of the best state—through the person of a single, in his eyes incomparable, holy, divine teacher, Socrates. (p. 186 translation)

Back to B:

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. . . What seems most paradoxical to me is that some of these texts, which do not fit naturally into the second century, reproduce concepts and ideas that run counter to the very purpose of forming the corpus—ideas that go against Marcionite theology . . .

. . .

1:24:01
At least some of the material in these letters gives good, well-founded reasons for thinking it comes from the first century,

1:24:07
because it reflects that kind of debate and discussion.

I think this is somewhat circular. Is it on the basis of other NT documents whose dates are also questionable that it is believed particular topics were of interest in the first century? We know from Justin Martyr, for example, that the question of circumcision was indeed a hot topic in the middle of the second century. Paul’s letters are topical for this time. See also Hermann Detering’s works for more examples.

2:08:09
Finally, regarding Acts: it is unlikely to be a simple anti-Marcionite reaction.

2:12:00
Acts presents a very Jewish Paul—something difficult for a second-century author aligned with later church positions.

2:13:09
No one invents something that causes embarrassment.

On the contrary, if I recollect correctly, a good number of scholars have pointed to Acts being a catholiczing work, a narrative that aimed to “homogenize” different Christian sects or groupings, into one faith. That’s not a “simple anti-Marcionite reaction”; it is a constructive and judicious reaction. A Marcionite figure was embraced, but he had some changes in his clothes. No-one invents embarrassments for oneself, but readers can often misjudge what was written and prematurely dismiss it as if the writer was him/herself in knots.


2026-01-12

Nina Livesey and the Authenticity of Paul’s Letters: A Critical Response

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Here is an English translation of the transcript of Professor Boccaccini discussing the main idea of Nina Livesey’s book, The Letters of Paul in their Roman Literary Context: Reassessing Apostolic Authorship. [I took the machine-generated transcript from the Ora Sapere! site for translation.]

I have included images and translations of Boccaccini’s slides in his presentation. —

Watch on the Youtube site for comments and links to related videos, including others programs in the Ora Sapere! series.

Translated transcript

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[Music] Today I am able to understand it and to admit that order can arise from chance, and that the first step is to bring the human being back to the center.

0:15
Not predestined, but imperfect products of events and of chemical infatuations.

0:24
The needles hidden in a straw man are found more easily if you burn him with a torch; the burst of flame washes over my face, and you teach me light, hope, and also reason, which is made of science—and I can no longer live without it.

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[Music]

0:49
[Applause] [Music]

0:56
[Applause] [Music] When I have a mystical crisis at fifty-five,
I hope you come to arrest me. I will have a mystical crisis at fifty-five; I hope you come to arrest me. I will have a mystical crisis at fifty-five, from this moment on.

1:47
And here we are. So—[Music]

1:53
A few months ago a book was published, a book by the academic Nina Livesey and this book, let’s say, put forward a thesis that caused quite a stir:

2:12
the idea that Paul—indeed, the author of the Pauline letters according to traditional attribution—might actually be a non-historical figure.

2:25
When the book came out, I avoided doing a live broadcast immediately after finishing it, because, given the topic and the nature of the proposal, I decided to look for an expert—with a capital “E”—to deal with the issue.

2:44
And finally the moment has come when we have that expert with a capital “E.” So I would like to welcome Professor Gabriele Boccaccini, author of numerous books and a leading expert on Second Temple Judaism, and, I’m told, also a specialist on Paul—so perfectly suited to the question we need to explore today.

3:07
So, hello everyone. I am your Faber Lumière. Welcome to Al Lume della Ragione Show, the weekly appointment every Sunday at four o’clock, where we seek the truth starting from the evidence, to bring clarity to a sea of confusion.

3:28
Episode 247. As usual, if you find the video interesting, remember to leave a like, share it, let me know in the comments, or join us on the server linked in the description and via the icon at the top right: gruppovismo3.0.eu, the site where you can find all my content and that of the rest of the group.

3:45
I apologize for the long introduction. Professor, would you like to tell us a bit about yourself—who you are, what you do?

3:59
First of all, I greet everyone who is connected, and those who will connect in the future by watching this video. I thank you for the invitation and for the opportunity to talk a little about the status quaestionis, as we say in technical terms—that is, what scholars are discussing, including Nina Livesey, and what the issues are that are currently under scholarly debate.

4:33
I am essentially a specialist in Second Temple Judaism and in Christian origins, including Paul, because I approach him from the standpoint of ancient Jewish tradition.

4:45
For me, Christianity is one of the apocalyptic and messianic movements that arose within Second Temple Judaism. So I treat early Christianity in the same way that I treat the Dead Sea Scrolls, the works of Philo of Alexandria, or the works of Josephus—as one of the many manifestations of a Jewish world that was extremely diverse and very different from what we usually imagine.

5:12
That is because we know Judaism mainly through the rabbinic reform, which comes later. I study Christian origins from this perspective.

5:24
On this occasion, I was asked to clarify, at least a little, what the terms of the question are. I have also prepared a few small slides to give you an idea of how to situate this discussion within a debate that certainly did not begin today—a debate that has been going on for centuries.

5:52
So I prepared a few short slides. Before we move on to them, however, I must confess—very culpably—that I forgot to offer a greeting and acknowledgement to Dr. Cuscito, whom I must thank for putting us in contact and who also sends his greetings. I’ve also made videos with him; he is always a very important presence.

6:18
Okay. The second issue, before getting into the substance of the matter, is to clarify who “Lizzi” is. In these kinds of discussions, it is often difficult to keep track of the scholarly weight of the various positions.

6:46
There are people who arrive at a hypothesis such as “Paul never even existed” in a completely arbitrary way—by guessing blindly, in the depths of ignorance, so to speak.

7:05
As far as I know, this is not the case with Lizzi. Could you give your view on the level of scholarly credibility we are dealing with here?

7:15
Nina Livesey is a colleague from Rome. Her book, however, needs to be clarified somewhat, because it does not actually claim outright that Paul did not exist. She presents a fairly nuanced version of this issue.

7:29
It is a discussion of the Pauline letters, especially the Pauline corpus, and therefore also of the attribution of authorship.

7:51
These are issues that need to be situated within a broader scholarly discussion. And the point you raise is very important, because many times theses are advanced in a rather amateurish way.

8:11
Someone writes a text, and only later do we discover that they lack any academic background or scholarly credentials. That is not the case here.

8:25
We are dealing with serious problems, and therefore with a debate that exists within the academic world and must be understood in its seriousness.

8:46
When one wants to assess the seriousness of certain arguments, one must place them within a line of discussion. Scholarly hypotheses do not arise because one of us wakes up one morning and suddenly produces some radical novelty.

9:06
That may be how things appear in the press, but it is not how scholarship actually works. There are questions, debates, and sustained investigations, and one must go back to the roots.

9:23
That is why I am happy to come here and explain how the work of Livesey came into being—it did not spring up like a mushroom out of nowhere. These issues have been under discussion for at least two centuries.

9:44
Each scholar adds a small new tile to the structure that makes up this long conversation, which continues within the scholarly community, welcoming different voices and contributions.

9:56
So we are not talking about a conspiracy theory; we are talking about a serious hypothesis that deserves discussion. Let us deal with serious matters and talk about how these problems arose.

10:15
As I said, if you show the first slide, we arrive at the historical-critical research you mentioned.

slide1a10:23
We must understand that historical research essentially emerged at the end of the eighteenth and the beginning of the nineteenth century. We have to go back a bit and study, because it arose in a religious context and was therefore influenced by the religious paradigms of the time.

10:50
In the first slide, we see that two elements inherited from religious tradition had long been treated almost as dogmas—not in a religious sense, but in an interpretive one—and they became the starting point for scholarly reflection.

11:16
First: Paul’s letters form a corpus, that is, a coherent collection of works by a refined first-century theologian, the historical Paul, marking Christianity’s emancipation from Judaism.

11:42
The unifying feature of the corpus was its anti-Jewish element: Paul was understood as the theologian who separated Christianity from Judaism. This was taken for granted by everyone, Jewish and Christian alike.

11:57
The second point was that the letters of Paul formed a single unit: the thirteen letters attributed to Paul (originally fourteen, since Hebrews was included until the sixth century, before that attribution was abandoned).

12:20
These thirteen letters were all considered to be written by Paul himself, and that Paul was identified with the Paul described in the Acts of the Apostles.

12:34
These were the two “dogmas,” the two fixed points of early scholarship.

12:46
If you move to the second slide, you can see—and feel free to interrupt me with questions at any moment to keep the discussion lively.

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I am not giving a full lecture; I am using just a few slides to establish some fixed points.

13:06
The second point is that in the nineteenth century historical research began to emancipate itself from religious tradition, gaining autonomy and no longer being strictly controlled by religious institutions or churches.

13:30
It began to question some certainties—not so much the theological homogeneity of the Pauline letters, but rather the question of authorship. Continue reading “Nina Livesey and the Authenticity of Paul’s Letters: A Critical Response”


2026-01-10

Making Sense of those Gospel-Josephus Similarities

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Josephus writes of a madman named Jesus son of Ananias who cries out a warning of doom to Jerusalem. He is brought before a Roman official but dismissed as having lost his wits.

Another Jesus figure in Josephus was a rebel and companion of seamen as well as land workers.

Josephus writes of prominent rebel leaders named Simon and John. Simon is even said to stage a kind of “resurrection” after the Roman conquest.

Josephus wrote of a slaughter of Galileans in the lake of Galilee that brings to mind the slaughter of men being compared to catching fish.

Josephus narrates encountering three crucified figures, one of whom he rescued from the cross. No doubt there are more that escape me at the moment.

What are we to make of these echoes of gospel accounts?

Some scholars have understandably attempted to find a “real Jesus” and his historical activity in them. Some have even attempted to find a Jesus who was of a similar kind to other false prophets and bandits Josephus writes about. Those efforts, to my mind, are overly speculative. I think there is a simpler explanation.

To appreciate that simpler explanation one must accept the likelihood that all of the gospels were written well after the time of Josephus. The advantage of a post Josephan date is that it has the support of independent evidence: the existence of the gospels is not testified until the second century.

That simpler explanation follows. The authors were searching for material from which to shape the person and narrative for gospel Jesus:

But long before Christian censors attempted to adapt the text of Josephus Flavius to their own purposes, early Christian writers, those who worked on the compilation of the books of the New Testament, tried to find in Josephus Flavius proofs of the real existence of Jesus Christ. Their insistence in this direction can be fully understood. For Josephus Flavius was for them one of the most important sources that could give an explanation of the events that took place in Palestine in the 1st century C.E. One need only look closely at the peculiar—by our standards extremely naïve, but at that time entirely usual and widely practiced in literary work—methods and techniques of searching employed by the evangelists, and it becomes clear how eagerly they seized upon the slightest hints in Josephus’ narrative that could serve them as support for depicting the life and activity of Jesus Christ.

Very characteristic are the various identifications that were made by the evangelists in connection with the name Jesus. At one time Jesus, son of Sapphias, appears as the leader of a detachment of rebels recruited from sailors and the poor (ναύται καὶ πένητες) (Vita Josephi, 12). At another time it is Jesus, son of Ananias, a half-mad peasant who appears in the streets and squares of Jerusalem several years before the uprising of 66, with a plaintive groan and cry foretelling the destruction of the sacred city and its great temple.

Both episodes were used by the evangelists. They “corrected” and idealized this image in their own way, while nevertheless preserving concrete details. Jesus remained at the head of the poor and of sailors, people engaged on the water and on boats; it was only necessary to turn sailors into fishermen–boatmen, from whom the first group of apostles is recruited, and to call the quiet Lake of Gennesaret a sea (θάλασσαν τῆς Γαλιλαίας) (Gospel of Mark, I, 15 ff.). Once adopted, the metaphor of “people engaged on the water” was then developed with the addition of new motifs: the calming of the night storm, walking on the water as on dry land, delivering a sermon from a boat, and so forth. The evangelist proceeds in the same way with Jesus, son of Ananias, the crazed commoner who came from the village. Prophetic words about the destruction of the great sanctuary are spoken by Jesus Christ, ascending a hill from which one could admire the view of Jerusalem and its temple.

In both cases, what belongs to the evangelist is only the artistic elaboration of the original motif borrowed from the account of Josephus Flavius.

However weak and primitive the scholarly and literary methods of the Christian writers may now seem to us, in one respect the historian of our own day must render them justice: they persistently sought in Josephus an answer to the question of who the predecessors of the Christians were.

. . . . 

This narrative [Gamaliel’s reference to Theudas and Judas], of course, has no independent historical value, but it once again shows the extent to which Josephus Flavius was important for Christians as one of the sources for knowledge of the history of Judaism in the first century A.D., and then, in particular, reveals to which events in this history Christians paid primary attention, which figures, which directions of religious-political thought of that epoch attracted their sympathies. (Vipper, 76-77, 80 – translation)

Vipper, Robert Iu. Rim i rannee khristianstvo
(Рим и раннее христианство)
[Rome and Early Christianity]. Moscow: Izdatelʹstvo Akademii Nauk SSSR, 1954.

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A few other posts on Josephus in the Gospels:


2026-01-08

Two Russian Texts on Christian Origins Translated into English

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by Neil Godfrey

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I am expecting this year to enter a master’s program researching the historical origins of our canonical Christian literature. The thesis I have discussed with a potential supervisor is the evidence for  their composition as late as the mid to late second century. So it was with mixed feelings that I read Robert Vipper’s 1946 Russian study that in many ways coincided with the very thesis that I had been developing in recent years.

I was first very pleased with his explanation of his approach to historical sources. Yes, he applies the same methods that historians in non-biblical or non-theological studies take for granted. He sees right through the circularity of most biblical scholars taking the narratives of the gospels and epistles at face value (or at least that they are attempts, however mythologized, to rely on some historical core), without any independent controls to test their character as source material. That’s been a “hobby horse” of mine for some years now. I am in step with his method of testing and evaluating the sources. (I pull back a little, however, on his positivist view of historical analysis — that is, Marxist-Hegelian interpretation of “laws” of historical development. Though I was intrigued by his conclusion that Christianity as we would recognize it began more as a movement led by the reasonably well-to-do members of society. All of that is another discussion for another day.)

I said I had mixed feelings. One of them was feeling humbled in having to acknowledge that others (or at least Vipper) have long ago paved the main path I have been traveling on. But that is also reassuring. Vipper identifies the horrific calamities inflicted on the Judeans not only in the war of 66-70 but even moreso with the massacres under Trajan and Hadrian as being critical factors in the emergence of what we think of as conventional Christian literature. Where he has gone on well ahead of what I had been thinking, though, is that he finds as much explanatory power in the post-Hadrianic period: that is, the “enlightened” flavour of the times under Antoninus Pius and Marcus Aurelius. He even points to Plutarch’s “parallel lives” (published much earlier) as having a significant influence on the gospels. That’s an idea I  attempted to explore a long time ago and Vipper tempts me to revisit that possibility.

Other encouraging points in common:

  • The original view of a suffering and crucified messiah was not that it took place in heaven but that it was originally an abstract or mystical act beyond space and time. In the second century we see various efforts to transfer this idea into a real place and setting in history.
  • Justin Martyr (mid second century) does not know the canonical gospels
  • The Epistle of Barnabas is a “pre-gospel” text

Other hypotheses that surprised me:

  • The Shepherd of Hermas and The Didache are pre-Christian writings (or at best “proto-Christian”)
  • Jesus was a minor deity among Jewish associations prior to Christianity. Here Vipper points to some of the stronger arguments of W.B. Smith.

All of the above is found in

  • Vipper, Robert Iu. Vozniknovenie khristianskoi literatury
    (Возникновение христианской литературы)
    [The Emergence of Christian Literature]. Moscow: Nauka, 1946.

The other work I have translated

Vipper, Robert Iu. Rim i rannee khristianstvo
(Рим и раннее христианство)
[Rome and Early Christianity]. Moscow: Izdatelʹstvo Akademii Nauk SSSR, 1954.

Here Vipper explores in more detail the historical background from which Christianity emerged in the later second century. Given recent discussion here on the letter of Pliny the Younger to Trajan about Christians, some readers will find Vipper’s chapter on that letter of interest.

Both translations are accessible via a new page I have created. Robert VIPPER (Wipper) – Works Translated into English  Check the right margin of this blog.


2025-12-22

Looking for Evidence for a Persian Period Temple in Samaria’s Mount Gerizim – Part 3

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Surely a simpler explanation is that the capitals bearing those motifs [Astarte’s tree of life and guardian cobra heads] were on Mount Gerizim because they were not forbidden in Persian times.

This time I will skip the background introduction and begin with a list of English language articles by Yitzhak Magen. There are no doubt other articles that I have not noticed but I am more than willing to address anything of relevance if they come to my notice. Do the following writings add anything to Magen’s claim that he has published “unequivocal” proofs of a Samaritan Temple in Mount Gerizim in Persian times?

  • Magen, Yitzhak. “The Dating of the First Phase of the Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim in Light of the Archaeological Evidence.” In Judah and the Judeans in the Fourth Century B.C.E, edited by Oded Lipschits, Gary N. Knoppers, and Rainer Albertz. Eisenbrauns, 2007.
  • Naveh, Joseph, and Yitzhak Magen. “Aramaic and Hebrew Inscriptions of the Second-Century BCE at Mount Gerizim.” ’Atiqot 32 (1997): 9–17.
  • Stern, Ephraim, and Yitzhak Magen. “Archaeological Evidence for the First Stage of the Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim.” Israel Exploration Journal 52, no. 1 (2002): 49–57.

I’ll address them in chronological order.

Article 1

  • Naveh, Joseph, and Yitzhak Magen. “Aramaic and Hebrew Inscriptions of the Second-Century BCE at Mount Gerizim.” ’Atiqot 32 (1997): 9–17.

Magen begins by explaining a detail that partly contradicts something he wrote in a later work and that was discussed in Part 1 of this series. In this 1997 article, the massive wall with its three imposing gates, the same that reminded him of Ezekiel’s description of a gated wall surrounding the Jerusalem Temple, was not from the Persian period at all.

The area of the sacred precinct on the summit of the mountain is about 5 acres. Two building  stages have been identified: the ancient precinct, dating to the Persian period, and a later one, from  the Hellenistic period; the precinct occupied the  same area in both stages. The later precinct was  surrounded by a particularly thick wall, built, like the residential buildings, of dressed quarried  stones, and coated on the outside with three layers of plaster. . . . Three gates can  be dated to this stage: the southern gate, originally  used by worshippers as the main entrance gate, of which a tower and a broad staircase have survived;  and the northern and eastern gates, of which  several cells have survived, recalling the structure  of the gates in the book of Ezekiel (40:6-16) and  the Temple Scroll. (my bolding and italics in all quotations)[1]

Later Magen wrote that some of the Persian period gates also reminded him of Ezekiel’s description. Details to help the reader decide what was so Ezekiel-like in the Persian wall are not abundant in his later post.

Again, Magen makes his emphatic declaration of what “we know” about the date of this temple for which he has provided no evidence:

However, while Josephus dates the construction to the reign of Alexander the Great, we now know that it was built in the time of Nehemiah.[2]

The remainder of the article addresses the inscriptions on the stones within the area of the precinct. All that needs to be pointed out here is that all of these inscriptions are dated from the Hellenistic era and later.[3]

The unprecedented large number of inscriptions at one site indicates that the Samaritans habitually wrote inscriptions on building stones, from the Hellenistic period onward.[4]

So when one quotes Magen’s translations of the inscriptions that seem to suggest the existence of a temple connected in some way to the stones, one is doing nothing more than sharing evidence suggesting a temple in the Hellenistic period or later. We will return to the dating of the inscriptions in the last part of this post.

Article 2

  • Stern, Ephraim, and Yitzhak Magen. “Archaeological Evidence for the First Stage of the Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim.” Israel Exploration Journal 52, no. 1 (2002): 49–57.

Now here we have a most interesting article. Two capitals of Phoenician design, bearing Phoenician and Egyptian religious motifs, were discovered on Mount Gerizim by Yitzhak Magen’s team.capitals.001 300x203

[5]

They consist of two motifs, “the central triangle with the two spiralling volutes and a Phoenician palmette”, very common among the Phoenicians and Iron Age Israel (that is before the Assyrian captivity).

[T]hey represent the Phoenician-Israelite version of the ‘tree of life’ (fig. 7), that major and most common ancient Near Eastern motif (Stern 1995: 319-334), towards which devotees turned with raised hands, standing or kneeling on both sides. This motif . . . was adopted from an Egyptian prototype, and is depicted . . . on a number of ivories found in the palace of the Israelite kings at Samaria . . . [6]

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[7]

The article continues:

It now seems almost certain that the ‘tree of life’ in these times symbolised the goddess ‘Astarte, the main Phoenician female deity. . . .

The other sacred emblem appearing on one of our capitals (fig. 1) is that of seven uraei [raised cobra heads], the heads of whom were cut away, . . . . In Egypt, uraei symbolised divine protection and as such they served as guardians to sacred locations . . . [8]

Stern and Magen conclude that the capitals were originally made in the time of the Israelite monarchy, perhaps for use in Shechem. So how to explain their presence on Mount Gerizim? Their answer: they were relics of the old “House of Yahweh” in Shechem but were taken from ruins there and re-used for the Temple on Mount Gerizim in Persian times.[9] This is their conclusion, even though they earlier wrote,

[B]oth capitals exhibit the motifs of the ‘tree of life’ and the uraei, which were prohibited during the Persian and Hellenistic periods by the Samaritan religious authorities, who—at this period—were strictly monotheistic. To the best of our knowledge, these two emblems are strict exceptions among the finds of the Mount Gerizim temple.[10]

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Surely a simpler explanation is that the Persian period Samaritans continued the same form of Yahweh worship much as it had been practised in the days of the kingdom – and as it still appeared to be practised among Jews at Elephantine in Egypt, complete with a pantheon of gods alongside Yahweh. In other words, the capital with those “pagan” motifs was on Mount Gerizim because they were not forbidden in Persian times.

So I don’t see any evidence in this article for the kind of temple Magen would want us to imagine was constructed in Persian era Mount Gerizim.

Article 3

  • Magen, Yitzhak. “The Dating of the First Phase of the Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim in Light of the Archaeological Evidence.” In Judah and the Judeans in the Fourth Century B.C.E, edited by Oded Lipschits, Gary N. Knoppers, and Rainer Albertz. Eisenbrauns, 2007.

Once more Yitzhak Magen begins his discussion by claiming the two-stage construction on Mount Gerizim’s “sacred precinct” area: the Persian period of the mid-fifth century BCE and the Hellenistic period of the early second century BCE. Magen describes the layout of the “sacred precinct”, its measurements, and so forth. The western wall has no discernable gate and Magen believes this is because it was closest to a Temple’s “holy of holies”:

This lack of gates may be due to the location of the Holy of Holies, the extremely hallowed rear extremity of the temple. I believe that the current Samaritan sacred site known as “The Twelve Stones” is located in the area of the Holy of Holies.[12]

Unfortunately “belief” is not evidence. Magen continues:

The Persian-period enclosure most likely featured three chamber gates: to the north, the east, and the south, reminiscent of the temple gates depicted in the book of Ezekiel (40:10–16), which was the basis for the temple built by the returning Babylonian exiles. The temple built by the returnees served, in turn, as the model for the temple erected by the Samaritans on Mt. Gerizim.[13]

So gates that “most likely” were there are “reminiscent” of Ezekie’s gates, which was the blueprint for the Jerusalem Temple supposedly built by returnees from Babylon – even though we have even less evidence for such a temple in Jerusalem at this time nor any for waves of returnees from Babylonian captivity. (See Evidence Against Jerusalem in Persian Times Producing the Hebrew Bible)

The closest Magen comes to offering any semblance of a Persian period temple is the following:

The precinct yielded thousands of pottery vessels and burned bones of sacrifices—of sheep, goats, cattle, and doves. The coins from the Persian period, the pottery vessels, and Carbon 14 (C-14) testing at the site enable us to ascribe the first phase of the temple to the mid-fifth century b.c.e. This temple was active for approximately 250 years, until the establishment of the new temple in the Hellenistic period.[14]

And then,

Numerous discoveries from the sacred precinct substantiate the existence of a Temple to the Lord. Dozens of finely dressed ashlars of similar size and fashioned with stone masons’ marks had been removed from the temple’s walls and were unearthed in the excavations. These stones, the only ashlars discovered on Mt. Gerizim in either private or public construction, were quarried away from Mt. Gerizim before being brought to the site. The debris yielded proto-Ionic or Aeolic capitals belonging to the early temple from the Persian period (fig. 8). The inscriptions discovered on Mt. Gerizim are the most striking indication of the existence of a temple.[15]

Those inscriptions, as we have seen, are acknowledged by Magen elsewhere to belong to the Hellenistic and later periods, not the Persian period. And figure 8 is a repeat of the one we saw bearing the pagan motifs associated with Astarte’s Tree of Life and the Egyptian guardian cobra (uraei).

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[16]

Concerning the inscriptions, Magen explains their relevance for a temple:

The inscriptions discovered on Mt. Gerizim are the most striking indication of the existence of a temple. Some contain the titles of the priests who served as religious functionaries (fig. 9),4 while others contain the formulas “before the God in this place,” “before (the) God,” or “before the Lord,” which are always indicative of a temple (fig. 10).5 An additional inscription in Hebrew notes “that which Joseph offered for his wife and his sons before the Lord in the temple” (fig. 11).6 Yet another inscription mentions the “house of sacrifice,” an expression that parallels an expression used to refer to the temple in Jerusalem (2 Chr 7:12).7 An inscription in Paleo-Hebrew script contains the Tetragrammaton, apparently as part of the phrase “the house of the Lord” (fig. 12).8 A Greek inscription on a sundial contains the phrase “Highest God,” which is the name of the Lord in Greek. Perhaps the most fascinating discovery is a small gold bell with a silver clapper from the fringes of the high priest’s ephod (Exod 28:33–35; fig. 13). [17]

Each of the footnotes I have preserved in the above quotation (from 4 to 8) point to twenty translations of inscriptions found in the volume that we discussed under the heading JSP vol. 2 in Part 1 of this series. Recall that Magen had introduced all of those inscriptions with this observation of their post-Persian date:

The excavations of Mt. Gerizim brought to light some four hundred inscription fragments in Neo-Hebrew and Aramaic (lapidary and Proto-Jewish) scripts, inscribed on building and paving stones, that were found inside the city’s Hellenistic period sacred precinct. Scores of Greek inscriptions were uncovered as well, some from the Hellenistic period, but most dating from the  reconstruction of the Samaritan sanctuary in the reign of Constantine I in the fourth century CE; some also dated from the time of the subsequent Byzantine church. Also found were a few inscriptions in the Samaritan script, whose style dates them to the medieval period. The unprecedented large number of inscriptions at one site indicates that the Samaritans habitually wrote inscriptions on building stones, from the Hellenistic period onward. . . .

We believe that most of the early inscriptions should  be dated to the Hellenistic period (third-second centuries BCE), although some may belong to the  earliest period of the sacred precinct (fifth-fourth centuries BCE).[18]

No further discussion attempts to justify the “belief” that “some may” belong to the fifth-fourth centuries.

As for the “dating the first phase of the Temple and the surrounding precinct”, Magen refers readers to the finds already covered in this series:

This section is devoted to the Persian period, with the goal of ending the long-standing debate concerning the beginnings of the Samaritan temple at the site. I anticipate that the presentation of the ceramic finds, the coins, and the C-14 examinations of the bones and ashes of the sacrifices will securely date the construction of the first phase of the temple to the mid-fifth century B.C.E. and not to the late fourth century B.C.E.—the time of Alexander the Great—as was claimed by Josephus (and subsequently by later scholars). [19]

As we have already seen, Magen does well enough in convincing us of the date of the pottery but continues to fail to explain how this pottery is evidence of a nearby temple:

[A]ll the pottery discovered at the site’s sacred precinct is to be securely dated to the period between the fifth and the fourth centuries b.c.e., that is, before the conquest of Alexander the Great. This dating is further supported by the numismatic finds.[20]

Similarly, again as we have seen by now, with the coins:

Despite the abundance of coins at the site, the number of coins from the Persian period is relatively small. . . .

I conclude, therefore, that all the Samaritan coins found on Mt. Gerizim, even if undated, preceded the time of the conquest of Alexander the Great (figs. 27–29).[21]

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And the date of the ashes of the sacrificed animals? As we would expect:

Several C-14 samples were taken of charred wood and bones found at the site, all from the strata belonging to the early phase of the sacred precinct—the Persian–Ptolemaic period (450–200 B.C.E.), preceding the Seleucid conquest of the land of Israel in the time of Antiochus III.[22]

And we recall Magen’s perhaps inadvertent reminder elsewhere that there were more common centres for regular sacrifices than temples:

The sole acceptable fashion of worshiping a deity, whether YHWH or some other god, was by the construction of altars, shrines, and temples and offering sacrifices and burning incense.[23]

Conclusion

I believe that I have given Yitzhak Magen a fair chance to demonstrate the existence of a temple on Mount Gerizim in Persian times. When I first saw his emphatic claims (e.g. “unequivocal proof”) I assumed that he must have published irrefutable material evidence for that temple. I remained puzzled, however, by a few remarks of other scholars holding on to doubts or even outright rejection of such a temple. And the only other scholars who insisted on the temple cited the same source: Y. Magen. So I read and re-read Magen’s volumes on the archaeological finds and have presented the main points in this series of posts. I fail to see how Magen has come close to demonstrating that a Samaritan temple was built on Mount Gerizim in the Persian period.

And without that evidence, we cannot assume that Deuteronomy or any other work reflecting temple ideologies of the Pentateuch was being composed.

The fact is that Magen has left indications in his writings that support the alternative view that Samaria in Persian times embraced a polytheistic cult worship of Yahweh. Evidence for Pentateuchal ideas does not surface until well into the Hellenistic period.

 

Notes

[1] Joseph Naveh and Yitzhak Magen, “Aramaic and Hebrew Inscriptions of the Second-Century BCE at Mount Gerizim,” ’Atiqot 32 (1997): 9. Bolded highlighting is mine.

[2] Naveh and Magen, “Aramaic and Hebrew Inscriptions of the Second-Century BCE at Mount Gerizim,” 10.

[3] Naveh and Magen, “Aramaic and Hebrew Inscriptions of the Second-Century BCE at Mount Gerizim,” 10ff. The same article covers inscriptions clearly made in the Christian era.

[4] Yitzhak Magen et al., Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume I: The Aramaic, Hebrew and Samaritan Inscriptions, trans. Edward Levin and Michael Guggenheimer, JSP Series Judea and Samaria Publications 2 (Israel Antiquities Authority, 2004), 13. Magen does qualify this point by saying that “some may belong to the earliest period of the sacred precinct (fifth-fourth centuries BCE). (p.14)

[5] Ephraim Stern and Yitzhak Magen, “Archaeological Evidence for the First Stage of the Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim,” Israel Exploration Journal 52, no. 1 (2002): 49.

[6] Stern and Magen, “Archaeological Evidence for the First Stage of the Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim,” 53.

[7] Stern and Magen, “Archaeological Evidence for the First Stage of the Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim,” 53.

[8] Stern and Magen, “Archaeological Evidence for the First Stage of the Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim,” 54.

[9] Stern and Magen, “Archaeological Evidence for the First Stage of the Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim,” 56.

[10] Stern and Magen, “Archaeological Evidence for the First Stage of the Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim,” 55.

[11] Stern and Magen, “Archaeological Evidence for the First Stage of the Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim,” 55.

[12] Yitzhak Magen, “The Dating of the First Phase of the  Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim  in Light of the Archaeological Evidence,” in Judah and the Judeans in the Fourth Century B.C.E, ed. Oded Lipschits et al. (Eisenbrauns, 2007), 160.

[13] Magen, “The Dating of the First Phase of the  Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim  in Light of the Archaeological Evidence,” 161.

[14] Magen, “The Dating of the First Phase of the  Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim  in Light of the Archaeological Evidence,” 164f.

[15] Magen, “The Dating of the First Phase of the  Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim  in Light of the Archaeological Evidence,” 166.

[16] Magen, “The Dating of the First Phase of the  Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim  in Light of the Archaeological Evidence,” 166.

[17] Magen, “The Dating of the First Phase of the  Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim  in Light of the Archaeological Evidence,” 166ff.

[18] Magen et al., Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume I, 13f.

[19] Magen, “The Dating of the First Phase of the  Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim  in Light of the Archaeological Evidence,” 176.

[20] Magen, “The Dating of the First Phase of the  Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim  in Light of the Archaeological Evidence,” 179.

[21] Magen, “The Dating of the First Phase of the  Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim  in Light of the Archaeological Evidence,” 179f. Coins are from pages 207, 209, 211.

[22] Magen, “The Dating of the First Phase of the  Samaritan Temple on Mount Gerizim  in Light of the Archaeological Evidence,” 180.

[23] Yitzhak Magen, The Samaritans and the Good Samaritan, trans. Edward Levin, JSP Series 7 (Israel Antiquities Authority, 2008), 10.


2025-12-21

Looking for Evidence for a Persian Period Temple in Samaria’s Mount Gerizim – Part 2

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Continuing …..

Background: I have set out the evidence that indicates the Persian provinces of Yehud (Judea) and Samaria were polytheistic societies, worshiping Yahweh, yes, but a Yahweh as part of a pantheon of deities. Judaism as we recognize it only surfaces in the archaeological record in the Hellenistic period, from around the mid third century BCE. I have found Russell Gmirkin’s comparisons of biblical literature with Greek and other Near Eastern literature to be thorough and his case for the biblical literature being indebted for most part to Greek works solid. As for how to validly recover history of ancient Israel and Judah I side with those who place the archaeological record first and use that archaeological data to understand the contexts and purposes of the later narratives of the Bible. Compare Troy: we can either interpret all the finds of Troy through our reading of Homer, or we can study the remains of Troy to better understand the later works of Homer.

One notable archaeologist has effectively declared that there can be no debate concerning the strength of evidence for the existence of a Samaritan Temple of Yahweh on Mount Gerizim in the Persian period, and that this temple was built and functioned according to the biblical laws of purity, cult and commandments. Others have repeated his dogmatic claims and even used them to argue for some early form of Deuteronomy existing as early as Persian times — thus overturning the hypothesis that biblical literature did not primarily emerge until Hellenistic times. So extensive is the evidence for the existence of this Persian period temple that the same archaeologist has said it can be appreciated through the following:

Extensive answers to the questions raised [i.e. the archaeological evidence for a fifth-century date of the Temple on Gerizim] can be found in three books published in the JSP series (Judea and Samaria Publications, volumes 2, 7 and 8), and in additional articles, all in English.[1]

Yitzhak Magen’s assertions of “unequivocal proof” of a Gerizim Temple in Persian times have been repeated by others, again with specific citations:

The archaeological digs carried out by Yitzhak Magen from 1982 to 2006 have confirmed the existence of a Samaritan temple on Mt. Gerizim although, so far, only its temenos (surrounding precinct) has been unearthed. . . . 6

6 . . . On the Samaritan sanctuary and its dating, see (Magen 2007; 2008b, pp. 97–205). . . . [2]

In this series of posts we are looking for the evidence said to be found extensively in

  • JSP series, volumes 2, 7 and 8;
  • and perhaps then additional articles by Magen in English

The last post looked at volume 2 of the JSP (Judea and Samaria Publications) series. Do we find anything more decisive in volume 7?

JSP Series, Volume 7

JSP7Or more completely referenced:

Magen, Yitzhak. The Samaritans and the Good Samaritan. Translated by Edward Levin. JSP Series 7. Israel Antiquities Authority, 2008.

Here on page 10 we learn that Magen interprets details in the Book of Nehemiah according to his belief that the Mount Gerizim temple existed in Nehemiah’s time. And that belief is said to be grounded in archaeology:

According to the archaeological finds from Mt. Gerizim, the first phase of the sacred precinct was built in the Persian period, in the fifth century BCE . . .

But Magen then concedes that there is some room for doubt on this point so draws a bottom line:

What we know for sure is that the historical and archaeological background of the erection of the temple is firmly entrenched in the fifth century BCE, at the time of Nehemiah and Sanballat.[3]

Despite that dogmatic statement, I am still waiting to read where Magen explains how we “know for sure”. Reading on I come once again to Magen’s insistence that there is archaeological evidence for (Pentateuchal/biblical) purity laws and their forbidding of any links with paganism being observed in this early time:

Sanballat controlled the sacred site of Mt. Gerizim, with its ancient tradition that was untainted of paganism, and which was one of the most ancient such sites in the Land of Israel.[4]

It is actually in the Hellenistic era that Magen acknowledges evidence for undisputed observance of those Pentateuchal laws:

  • The Samaritans did not allow Hellenistic culture and art to penetrate the life of the city. . . .
  • The Samaritans on Mt. Gerizim during the Hellenistic period were much more isolationist and conservative than the Jews in Jerusalem. . . .
  • We believe that in the Hellenistic period the laws of the Torah and the purity laws were more strictly observed at Mt. Gerizim than in Jerusalem. The population of the former was composed primarily of priests who had settled in proximity to the temple after the destruction of the city of Samaria, and consequently was a priestly city, as well as a temple city.*

In other words, one might think, Magen cannot help but acknowledge that the evidence for Niels Peter Lemche’s and Russell Gmirkin’s hypothesis of a Hellenistic origin of the Biblical literature is stronger than any notion of part of it being a product of Persian times.

* Magen, Yitzhak. Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume II, A Temple City. JSP Series 8. 2008. pp ix, 89

But elsewhere Magen was not so sure about those purity observances (as we noted in the previous post):

[I]t appears that the prohibition of graven images and likenesses was not scrupulously observed during the Persian period. This is evident in the material culture of the time, such as the images on coins from this period, both Samaritan and Jewish.[5]

See also the post: Comparing Samaria and Judah/Yehud – and their religion – in Persian Times.

I ought to point out that I am not claiming that there was no temple on Mount Gerizim prior to the Greek conquests of Alexander. What is problematic is the dogmatic assertion that that temple did exist and the murkiness of what is said to be the evidence for it. I am sure the Samaritans did have a temple somewhere. But whatever its location, as pointed out above and related posts, it was almost certainly a temple dedicated to Yahweh along with other gods and knew nothing of some of the most distinctive commands of Deuteronomy or other Pentateuchal books (e.g. that only one place of worship was permitted).

Indeed, Magen’s following remarks could be understood as supportive of such a (polytheistic) temple:

The silence of the Book of Nehemiah and of other books written or redacted in the fifth to fourth centuries BCE concerning the existence of the temple at Mt. Gerizim has not been satisfactorily explained. Every people and every populace worshiped some god; why, then, would it be exceptional for the governor of Samaria to build a temple to the God of Israel at Mt. Gerizim? In the Iron Age and Persian period, temples were found everywhere, and the exiles who went to Babylonia and Egypt almost certainly prayed in temples; the Elephantine temple was not the only one. We may assume that the Jewish and Samaritan communities in Egypt and in other places of exile continued to worship YHWH at some sort of altar or temple. The sole acceptable fashion of worshiping a deity, whether YHWH or some other god, was by the construction of altars, shrines, and temples and offering sacrifices and burning incense.[6]

And then we come to this most telling paragraph (my bolding):

The period between the destruction of Samaria and the establishment of the Samaritan temple at Mt. Gerizim in the fifth century BCE remains an enigma, leaving us with neither an archaeological nor a historical glimpse into the nature and religion of the population of the region of Samaria. This lack of information has impeded our understanding of Samaritan history in the Persian period.[7]

But there are archaeological glimpses[8], and they do not favour Magen’s assumptions or assertions to the contrary.

JSP 7 is not very enlightening about the evidence for the Persian period Gerizim Temple. Let’s look at Magen’s third reference.

JSP Series, Volume 8

JSP8 799x1024The title for this volume:

Magen, Yitzhak. Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume II, A Temple City. Translated by Edward Levin and Carl Ebert. JSP Series 8. Israel Antiquities Authority, 2008. 

Surely in a volume with the title “Temple City” we will at last meet some of the “extensive” evidence promised us. Magen points out, however, that the archaeological finds point to cultural continuity in the region of Samaria from the days of the biblical northern kingdom of Israel through to the Persian period. I am sure he does not mean that the biblical notoriety of Samaria’s “paganism” continued into Persian times alongside his Gerizim Temple, but how else are we to understand the following observation?

The settlement upheaval and the destruction of the Northern Kingdom occurred in the late eighth century BCE, followed by Assyrian resettlement of peoples brought from neighboring lands with the remnant left in Samaria. These fateful historical events left hardly any traces in the material culture of Samaria.[9]

We have seen that Yonatan Adler has observed clear markers in the material culture that point to the emergence of a community’s observance of Pentateuchal laws. Yet it appears that Magen has to confess that there is no comparable evidence in the case of Persian period Samaria.

Recall the Elephantine correspondence with the priests of Samaria indicating that Samaritan religion embraced a pantheon of gods along with Yahweh. Was there really no change in the Persian period from the Iron Age religion? Is not the case for a Hellenistic origin of what we know as Judaism (and the Pentateuchal laws) becoming a little more likely?

Vridar posts setting out the evidence that we do have for Samarian religion in Persian times:

Magen’s list the “archaeological finds” that “date the temple at Mount Gerizim” to Persian times begin with the pottery:

The ceramic assemblage presented here was taken predominantly from the clean pre-Hellenistic loci of the sacred precinct, which also yielded Persian-period coins. Most of the pottery vessels are characteristic of the Persian period and include juglets, flasks, cooking pots, kraters (frequently ornamented with wedge decorations), bowls (some red-slipped and burnished), lamps with a flat base, and fragments of Attic vessels.[10]

Nowhere, though, does Magen explain how that pottery dated to Persian times should be interpreted as evidence for a temple nearby.

Similarly with the coins discovered in the “sacred precinct” of Mount Gerizim. Of the thousands of coins uncovered there[11] 72 date from the Persian period. Of these 72 coins Magen explains the early coins attest the existence of the sacred precinct in that century.[12]

Unless I missed it, Magen does not explain how these coins are evidence for the sacredness of the area. Other sites with abundant finds of coins he interprets differently:

In both buildings, about 885 coins were found, lending support to the notion that these public buildings were involved in commercial activities taking place at the city gate.[13]

and

The structure yielded 158 coins, more than were found in the other structures, which also indicated this was a public structure.[14]

Why a sacrificial site should be interpreted as a temple Magen leaves unexplained. As noted earlier, he does acknowledge that simple shrines and altars were (surely more commonly) set up for that purpose.[15]

I suppose the abundance of bones from sacrificed animals in the same area where the Persian period coins were found and the fact that there was a gated wall separating that space from the wider area secures Magen’s interpretation that the coins found here must be interpreted as indicating something more sacred than normal commercial activity. But evidence for a temple structure is not provided.

But while on the subject of coins….

Let’s take a look at those Persian period coins. As per the previous post:

The earliest coin discovered at the excavations … is a silver drachma from Cyprus (Soli?), roughly dated to 480 BCE.[16]

coin 300x158Now let’s look at some other coins lest this one above be thought of as an outrageous anomaly. The following samples are said to have been minted in Samaria and belong to the Persian period.[17]

83-1[18]

106 127 300x140
Hercules fighting the lion?

[19]

112 159 300x156

[20]

120 204 300x145

[21]

Magen sums up the evidence:

To conclude this section on the dating of the first phase of the sacred precinct, we may state with a great degree of certainty that on the basis of the pottery, coins, and C-14 testing, the first phase of the precinct was built in the fifth century BCE. [22]

He has indeed shown readers pottery and coins from the Persian period but nowhere explained how those finds demonstrate the existence of a nearby temple. Later, he writes:

[T]he archaeological finds from Mt. Gerizim attest that “Sanballat the Horonite,” mentioned in the Book of Nehemiah (Sanballat I), established a temple at Mt. Gerizim.[23]

Magen certainly listed archaeological finds from the Persian period but nowhere explained how those finds demonstrate the existence of a nearby temple.

Perhaps we need to turn to the articles he mentioned. We will look at some of those in the next post in fading hopes of being informed of his “unequivocal proof” for a Persian period Mount Gerizim temple.

Notes

[1] Yitzhak Magen, “Dating of the Samaritan Temple on Mt. Gerizim. Yitzhak Magen’s Response,” Biblical Archaeology Society, September 6, 2012, https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/scholars-study/magens-response/.

[2] Jonathan Bourgel, “The Samaritans during the Hasmonean Period: The Affirmation of a Discrete Identity?,” Religions (Basel, Switzerland) 10, no. 11 (2019): 2, https://doi.org/10.3390/rel10110628. I was alerted to Bourgel’s reference by Peter Kirby’s post on earlywritings forum: https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14039. The citations Bourgel provides are problematic for anyone seeking material evidence for a Persian period temple on Gerizim and will be discussed in posts here. Bourgel’s assertion of “confirmation” of the temple proves to be as hollow as Magen’s claim in the above quotation.

[3] Magen, The Samaritans and the Good Samaritan, trans. Edward Levin, JSP Series 7 (Israel Antiquities Authority, 2008), 14.

[4] Magen, The Samaritans and the Good Samaritan, 11.

[5] Yitzhak Magen, Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume II, A Temple City, trans. Edward Levin and Carl Ebert, JSP Series 8 (Israel Antiquities Authority, 2008), 153,

[6] Yitzhak Magen, The Samaritans and the Good Samaritan, 10

[7] Magen, The Samaritans and the Good Samaritan, 14.

[8] See Comparing Samaria and Judah/Yehud – and their religion – in Persian Times

[9] Magen, Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume II, A Temple City, 167.

[10] Magen, Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume II, A Temple City, 167.

[11] Magen, Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume II, A Temple City, ix.

[12] Magen, Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume II, A Temple City, 168.

[13] Magen, Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume II, A Temple City, 19.

[14] Magen, Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume II, A Temple City, 74.

[15] Magen, The Samaritans and the Good Samaritan, 14.

[16] Magen, Mount Gerizim Excavations III The Coins., 84.

[17] Yitzhak Magen et al., Mount Gerizim Excavations III The Coins., JSP Series 19 (Israel Antiquities Authority, 2022), 131f.

[18] Ya‘akov Meshorer and Shraga Qedar, Samarian Coinage, (Israel Numismatics, 1999), 83, no. 1.

[19] Meshorer and Qedar, Samarian Coinage, 106, no. 127.

[20] Meshorer and Qedar, Samarian Coinage, 112, no. 159.

[21] Meshorer and Qedar, Samarian Coinage, 120, no. 204.

[22] Magen, Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume II, A Temple City, 169.

[23] Magen, Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume II, A Temple City, 173.


2025-12-20

Looking for Evidence for a Persian Period Temple in Samaria’s Mount Gerizim – Part 1

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The broader context of that discussion had been my defence of Russell Gmirkin’s thesis that the Hebrew Bible, especially the Pentateuch (which includes Deuteronomy, of course) was composed as late as some time after the conquests of Alexander the Great, less than three centuries before the time of Christ.

This post follows on from An Attempt to Date a pro-Samarian Deuteronomy to the Persian Period — which in turn was a response to When was the pro-Gerizim book of Deuteronomy written?

As a rule of thumb it is not a bad idea to consult scholarly authorities to learn “what’s what”. But scholars are also human and fallible, and sometimes have their own agendas that they attempt to push on less than attentive readers. So another rule, more precise than measurement by random thumbs, is this: it is an even better idea when consulting scholarly authorities to be alert for the evidence they cite to support their “what’s whats”.

That little gem of wisdom came to me when I noticed a case for the Book of Deuteronomy, at least in some early Samaritan form, being composed in Persian times. The starting point of the Persian period argument was to appeal to the authoritative declarations of an archaeologist who has had the Albrightian habit of interpreting archaeological finds in ways that would ensure confirmation of some plausible interpretation of biblical narratives.

To argue, against Gmirkin, that Deuteronomy was composed in Persian times, the claim was made that Deuteronomy was largely written against the backdrop of a Temple on Mount Gerizim in Samaria.

To argue, against Gmirkin, that the Book of Deuteronomy was composed well before the Greeks, indeed in those Persian times we associate with Haggai and Zechariah, Nehemiah and Ezra, the claim was made that it was in significant part written against the backdrop of a Temple to Yahweh on Mount Gerizim in Samaria. Deuteronomy’s insistence that only one place of worship was permitted, along with the various other purity laws, rituals and commandments, all made sense given the authoritative assurance of a standing Temple. (For an explanation of how it was Deuteronomy that came to be specifically related to the Samaritan temple see an earlier post: The Samaritan Tenth Commandment.)

But alas, the opening line of that argument is an appeal to authority but when we look for the supporting evidence we find nothing but dust and ashes being scattered in the wind.

Here is the beginning of the argument per the earlywritings forum:[1]

From Yitzhak Magen, regarding the temple at Gerizim (ca. 475-445 BCE, i.e. the “middle” and before 445 BCE), based on archaeological excavations:

The archaeological excavations at Mt. Gerizim proved unequivocally that the temple on the mount was built in the middle of the fifth century B.C.E., that is, most likely before Nehemiah’s arrival in 445 B.C.E.

It is always handy to have an overpowering descriptor like “unequivocally” when one fails to provide specific evidence. And it is specific evidence that another scholar had asked of Yitzhak Magen:

I have a question . . . . Magen states that his excavations reveal that the Temple on Gerizim was built in the time of Nehemiah . . . . It seems to me that the archaeological evidence for a fifth-century date would have to be quite powerful to overcome the documentary evidence. And since there is nothing remaining of the Gerizim temple itself . . . . . strong archaeological evidence for the earlier date would be most enlightening.[2]

Magen responded with his “proved unequivocally” declaration quoted above. He indicated that the proofs were so “extensive” that they could not be summarized briefly but required the reading of three books and additional articles:

Extensive answers to the questions raised in this letter can be found in three books published in the JSP series (Judea and Samaria Publications, volumes 2, 7 and 8), and in additional articles, all in English.[3]

“More specifically”, Magen continued, there is an argument he derives from a reinterpretation of details found in the Book of Nehemiah. I will set that argument aside because it reminds us of the bad old days when “biblical archaeologists” were notorious for finding ways to interpret archaeological finds that marvellously “proved” some particular interpretation of the Bible. We have no independent evidence to confirm that Nehemiah has any serious relationship to historical events of the Persian period, however the text is interpreted. Until such evidence is forthcoming it is best to guard against interpreting the archaeological evidence tendentiously in the light of the Bible. (I have discussed scholarly critiques of the historical value of Nehemiah “extensively” on this blog: search “Nehemiah” alone for core arguments and then “Nehemiah and Finkelstein” for additional archaeologically-based criticisms.)

So let’s assume that the archaeological evidence for a Mount Gerizim Temple in the Persian period is so vast and overwhelming that one can only grasp it by reading three volumes and various articles. I will for most part therefore confine the following discussion to the works Magen signalled:

  • JSP series, volumes 2, 7 and 8;
  • and perhaps then additional articles of his in English

JSP Series, Volume 2

JSP2More completely referenced, this work is

  • Magen, Yitzhak, Haggai Misgav, and Levana Tsfania. Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume I: The Aramaic, Hebrew and Samaritan Inscriptions. Translated by Edward Levin and Michael Guggenheimer. JSP Series 2. Israel Antiquities Authority, 2004.

On page 12 Magen writes,

The archaeological finds prove that Josephus was indeed mistaken in ascribing the construction of the temple to the days of the fourth century BCE Sanballat, Alexander’s contemporary.

That remark pulled me up because I thought I had been reading carefully up to that point and could not recall reference to such probative archaeological finds. Was Magen going to list those finds later? A review of the table of contents and other skimming left me thinking there was no room for a later explanation. Perhaps the evidence would be covered in later volumes. But till then, it appeared that Magen was referring to what the reader should already know. So I re-read the preceding pages and took closer note of this passage (my bolding):

The many coins and pottery vessels discovered in the  sacred precinct attest to the construction of the temple in the Persian period, during the fifth century BCE. The finds include pottery, as well as 68 coins from the  fifth and fourth centuries BCE (preceding the arrival  of Alexander the Great in the Land of Israel).

The  earliest coin dates from 480 BCE. The temple on Mt. Gerizim was thus built in the  days of Sanballat the Horonite (Sanballat I), governor  of Samaria in the days of Nehemiah, who arrived in  the Land of Israel in 444 BCE (Neh. 2:1-10).[4]

I re-read pages 1 to 10 again – and again. How could coins and pottery vessels in themselves stand as witnesses to a temple nearby? On page 1 Magen had written that

A sacred precinct with a temple to the God of Israel that was built in the Persian period, during the fifth century BCE, stands on the highest part of the  mountain.

(We will see in a future post how Magen finds other ways of interpreting the significance of what coin finds indicate when they are not needed to somehow witness to a nearby temple.)

I was still looking forward to reading the supporting evidence for that temple. On page 3 I read the following:

The sacred precinct, centered around the temple, was built on the highest point on the mountain . . . . The excavations revealed two main  construction phases: the precinct and the temple were  first built in the fifth century BCE, during the Persian  period . . . .

Still waiting for the evidence for this temple. First, a description of the sacred precinct itself is presented:

The early precinct measured 98×96 m. . . . , including the gates. This square structure was built of hewn fieldstones extracted from  the mountain’s exposed upper strata of rock. . . .

The rooms around the inside of  the precinct wall are reminiscent of the open-roofed  chambers and courtyards mentioned in Ezekiel,  in whose vision of the Temple in Jerusalem they  were used by the Temple officiaries for cooking the  sacrifices brought by the people (Ez. 46:22-24).

The structure of the Persian period precinct, in particular the six-chambered gates, bear a resemblance  to the description of the Temple in Ezekiel (ch. 42) and to that of the future Temple in the Temple Scroll found  at Qumran, which is itself based to some extent on  Ezekiel’s description. The consistency of the remnants  of the sacred precinct on Mt. Gerizim with the  descriptions of the Temple in these two sources would  seem to support the claim by Josephus that the temple  on Mt. Gerizim was constructed on the model of the Temple in Jerusalem (Ant. 13:256).[5]

Your mileage may differ from mine, but I don’t see how such comparisons with the Book of Ezekiel (otherwise unattested until the Hellenistic period) and its vision of a wall and cooking rooms can confirm the existence of a Temple within those walls in the Persian period. My difficulty in agreeing with Magen’s method here is compounded by the fact that he had already stated – twice – that that wall had even been “rebuilt” in Hellenistic times:

In the third century BCE, in the Hellenistic  period, the temple and the sacred precinct were  rebuilt . . . .[6]

In the Hellenistic period, under Seleucid rule (early  second century BCE) the precinct and temple were  rebuilt.[7]

If the evidence for the existence of that “rebuilt” temple and its supposedly related wall were more secure for the Hellenistic era, would not that kind of archaeological evidence stand in favour of Russell Gmirkin’s hypothesis? So far Magen has failed to provide any material evidence for the existence of a temple in the Persian period. Suggesting that the evidence we do have belongs to the “rebuilt” wall in the Hellenistic period does not provide strong help for his case.

But I continue to re-read these first ten pages looking for “other evidence” for this temple that I may have missed. Here is the next item:

A great number of finds were discovered on Mt. Gerizim, including hundreds of thousands of burnt animal bones inside thick layers of ash, thus testifying  to the existence of a temple dedicated to the God of  Israel in which sacrifices were offered.[8]

No date is cited for those bones but I suspect they would include the sacrifices offered throughout the Hellenistic era. There are other questions arising, too. Magen explains in a later publication (JSP vol 7) that sacrifices were performed at a variety of sacred sites and not only at temples:

We may assume that the Jewish and Samaritan communities in Egypt and in other places of exile continued to worship YHWH at some sort of altar or temple. The sole acceptable fashion of worshiping a deity, whether YHWH or some other god, was by the construction of altars, shrines, and temples and offering sacrifices and burning incense.[9]

So remains of sacrificed animals are not necessarily evidence for a temple at all.

I also fail to see how one could determine the god to whom the animals were sacrificed from the bones themselves. After all, we do know that Yahweh-worshiping contemporaries with close relations to the Samaritans during the Persian period worshiped Yahweh alongside other deities. See the post Comparing Samaria and Judah/Yehud – and their religion – in Persian Times for details.

Magen cites late rabbinical and biblical sources to explain the meaning of other finds on Mount Gerizim. There were many bathtubs in private houses and these are presented as evidence that priests were following the Pentateuchal laws for priests to maintain purity when at the temple:

According to the Pentateuch ritual cleansing is performed by bathing in water . . .  (Lev. 14:8 et passim). . . . . It would thus seem that the many bathtubs found on Mt. Gerizim were intended for the use of the temple priests, who were required to remain in a state of ritual purity at all times, not only when serving in the temple.[10]

bath
A co-author [Gabriela Bijovsky] of JSP 19 sitting in one of the bathtubs. These bathtubs contrast with the later style of ritual baths associated with synagogues from the Hellenistic era onwards. The ritual baths include steps so one could descend for complete immersion.

[11]

Finally, we have another “proof” of the observance of biblical laws – and by implication the Persian period existence of the ideology we read about in Deuteronomy:

The finds on Mt. Gerizim indicate very strict observance of the commandment “You shall not make  for yourself an idol” (Ex. 20:4). No human or animal  images of any kind were unearthed in the excavations . . . [12]

Except that Magen appears to have changed his mind shortly afterwards (in JSP 8) when he wrote, instead, that:

it appears that the prohibition of graven images and likenesses was not scrupulously observed during the Persian period. This is evident in the material culture of the time, such as the images on coins from this period, both Samaritan and Jewish.[13]

As noted above (see note 4) the earliest coin is dated 480 BCE. Here is a photograph of that coin (not provided by Magen) held in the British Museum:

coin
Obverse: Head of lion facing left with open jaws Reverse: Ankh symbol in incuse square with spray of three leaves in each corner [14]

[15]

A graven image of a lion and an Egyptian ankh! Hardly indicators that they marked the presence of the Deuteronomist’s Temple! And apparently dated 480 BCE though of course we have no way of knowing how many hands it had felt and purses it had inhabited before it found its way to Mount Gerizim.

But we are moving away from the first of several readings Magen advised for us. In the next post we will look at more of Magen’s “extensive” evidence for the temple on Mount Gerizim in the Persian period.

Notes

[1] Peter Kirby, “When was the pro-Gerizim book of Deuteronomy written?,” Biblical Criticism & History Forum, September 19, 2025, https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14343.

[2] John Merrill, “Dating of Samaritan Temple on Mt. Gerizim. Merrill’s Letter,” Biblical Archaeology Society, September 6, 2012, https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/scholars-study/merrills-letter/.

[3] Yitzhak Magen, “Dating of the Samaritan Temple on Mt. Gerizim. Yitzhak Magen’s Response,” Biblical Archaeology Society, September 6, 2012, https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/scholars-study/magens-response/.

[4] Yitzhak Magen et al., Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume I: The Aramaic, Hebrew and Samaritan Inscriptions, trans. Edward Levin and Michael Guggenheimer, JSP Series vol. 2 (Israel Antiquities Authority, 2004), 10.

[5] Magen et al., Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume I, 6.

[6] Magen et al., Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume I, 1.

[7] Magen et al., Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume I, 6.

[8] Magen et al., Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume I, 9.

[9] Yitzhak Magen, The Samaritans and the Good Samaritan, JSP Series vol. 7 (Israel Antiquities Authority, 2008), 14.

[10] Magen et al., Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume I, 10.

[11] Yitzhak Magen, Mount Gerizim Excavations III The Coins, JSP Series vol. 19 (Israel Antiquities Authority, 2022), 83.

[12] Yitzhak Magen et al., Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume I: The Aramaic, Hebrew and Samaritan Inscriptions, trans. Edward Levin and Michael Guggenheimer, JSP Series vol. 2 Judea and Samaria Publications 2 (Israel Antiquities Authority, 2004), 10.

[13] Yitzhak Magen, Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume II, A Temple City, trans. Edward Levin and Carl Ebert, JSP Series vol. 8 (Israel Antiquities Authority, 2008), 153.

[14] Magen, Mount Gerizim Excavations. Volume II, A Temple City, 194.

[15] Sir George Francis Hill, Catalogue of the Greek Coins of Cyprus (The Trustees, 1904), Plate XIII.


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