Adam and Eve

2012-01-07

If Adam and Eve are metaphors why not . . . . ?

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by Neil Godfrey

If my good nemesis can re-use one of my posts I suppose I can pinch from one of his that is recycled from James Spinti’s blog.

Whoever wrote the Adam and Eve story in Genesis was “clearly inviting” his readers to understand it as a metaphor.

[The names Adam and Eve] literally are ‘Humanity’ and ‘Life’. Few readers of the English Bible are aware of this connection, and thus they fail to realize how the text itself invites them to see these characters less as historical figures and more as metaphorical representations of the human race. Once one understands the driving metaphor we are expelled from paradise, however, suddenly the remainder of Genesis and even our own lives make much more sense.

Agreed wholeheartedly.

Now consider our earliest Gospel, that of Mark: Continue reading “If Adam and Eve are metaphors why not . . . . ?”

2010-06-20

Which “Bone” Was Eve Made From?

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by Neil Godfrey

The creation and Adam and Eve narratives are often said to be nice moral tales that convey spiritual truths. Being myth does not disqualify them from containing meaningful messages for modern readers.

So at wedding ceremonies and in Sunday school classes bible-believers are regaled with the “beautiful story” of the God practising a bit of psychic surgery as his hand penetrates Adam’s side to pull out a rib which he used to create Eve. And since this story is not something that has been uncovered in modern times among cuneiform tablets alongside myths of sea-monsters and sky-gods, but is one we have been as familiar with as our soft pillows and teddy bear toys since childhood, we call it a “beautiful metaphor” of the marriage relationship.

And I suspect many theologians would prefer to keep it that way. Meaningful myth or symbol is sophisticated. Literal images of God taking the penis bone from Adam and using it to create Eve, thus explaining both marriage and the reason males of humans alone (almost) lack this bit of anatomy would probably go a long way to discrediting not only a “beautiful and meaningful story”, but opening up a few more people’s minds to the irrelevance of the Bible in an enlightened age.

I’m probably the last to know this little tidbit of trivia, but thanks to chance I recently discovered in a bookshop The Uncensored Bible: The Bawdy and Naughty Bits of the Good Book by John Kaltner, Stephen L. McKenzie and Joel Kilpatrick. John Shelby Spong calls it “a terrific book!”; Jonathan Kirsch, “smart, savvy, scholarly, and funny, all at once”; and Jonathan Reed, “Based on the best contemporary scholarship of the Bible — but funny as hell!” How could I resist it?

Which “Bone” Was Eve Made From?

So what’s wrong with the rib meaning the rib? Continue reading “Which “Bone” Was Eve Made From?”

2009-06-28

Adam and Eve (and Babel): late additions to the Old Testament

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by Neil Godfrey

Margaret Barker writes in “The Older Testament” that “the Adam and Eve myth in its present form is not integral to the Old Testament. It has all the signs of being a late addition” (p.23). Thus:

The story is isolated. Not a single prophet, psalm or narrator makes any reference to this story of their creation and Fall (von Rad)
Later biblical narratives stress the value of atonement. Sin is a matter of momentary transgressions of the Law. It is as if the narrative of the Fall, and its messages for the nature of mankind and sin, are unknown to the rest of the OT. (Eichrodt)

I have been partial to the argument that the Jewish Scriptures as we have them originated from Persian times (albeit our version of course dates from the Masoretic Text, post 70 c.e.). I suspect many of the pre-Abraham stories were scarcely matters of interest or knowledge among the various scribal schools of the province of Jehud.

And Babel, too

I am reminded of another suggestion that the story of the scattering of peoples through language confusion at Babel first surfaced some time in Hellenistic era. As it stands, it informs readers that Babylon was left deserted and unfinished. Every reader who comes to that point must deep down, even if only for a nanosecond, wonder how that fits with the later power of Babylon waging a war of conquest against the Kingdom of Judah. But if the author of that story knew only the Babylon of the third-century b.c.e. after it had been to a very large extent deserted, he could have been forgiven for thinking he was composing a “just so” etiological tale of how it came to be that way.

2007-03-25

The Tree of Wisdom in the Garden of Eden

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by Neil Godfrey

The best explanation I have read for the meaning of the story of the 2 trees in the Garden of Eden came from Thompson’s The Mythic Past.

The Genesis story warns that wisdom will make Adam and Eve like gods and then they will die.

They eat of wisdom, and the wisdom they learn is that they are naked. That is what their wisdom is: knowledge of their nakedness. Sounds pretty dumb. How can that be called being made “wise”?

But the story continues. Adam and Eve have become as gods (elohim) or God — God himself said this, Gen.3:22 — and then are sentenced to death.

All their wisdom does for them is to cause them to see they are naked, and then die.

The story does not quite flow. This has opened it up for later generations imputing their own pet speculations of what exactly is the meaning of the fruit, etc. Continue reading “The Tree of Wisdom in the Garden of Eden”

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ABuddhist on Christian Origins: Let’s Not Discount the Indian Connection: “>Some interesting stories in the above, like the “a sramana who burned himself alive in Athens to demonstrate his faith”…” Sep 12, 00:07
ABuddhist on Christian Origins: Let’s Not Discount the Indian Connection: “Fascianting. That would mean that the Berenike Buddha arose at the same time as many prominent early Mahayana Buddhist texts…” Sep 11, 23:57
ABuddhist on Christian Origins: Let’s Not Discount the Indian Connection: “A prominent example from the website are to this Buddhist nonsensical. 1. The claim that Trinity derives from the Sanskrit…” Sep 11, 23:54
Andrew Dabrowski on Questioning the Identity/Historicity of the Apostle Paul: “When we’re addressing human behavior, nothing is really off the table, e.g. conspiracy theories entailing destruction, suppression, and/or concoction of…” Sep 11, 16:36
Neil Godfrey on Christian Origins: Let’s Not Discount the Indian Connection: “Here is the link you spoke of: https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/ancient-egyptians/1st-century-buddha-statue-from-ancient-egypt-indicates-buddhists-lived-there-in-roman-times Dalrymple writes of the Berenike finds as you would expect. An earlier…” Sep 11, 06:39
Glynn Woodbury on Christian Origins: Let’s Not Discount the Indian Connection: “I was researching Neoplatonism for a lecture at a local Philosophy Group, and noticed the rather close parallels between Plotinus’…” Sep 11, 05:09
Gordon Rouse on Christian Origins: Let’s Not Discount the Indian Connection: “Takes only a little bit of lazy research raise your plausible to a highly likely! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_the_Roman_world Some interesting stories in…” Sep 10, 23:30
Neil Godfrey on Questioning the Identity/Historicity of the Apostle Paul: “Very true re the believer. But the same believer would not be interested in doing Bayes — would dismiss it…” Sep 10, 21:46
Neil Godfrey on Christian Origins: Let’s Not Discount the Indian Connection: “So you are a fellow LNL Gladys/poddie? (Readers not familiar with the radio series Late Night Live will have no…” Sep 10, 20:30

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2012-01-07

If Adam and Eve are metaphors why not . . . . ?

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by Neil Godfrey

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2010-06-20

Which “Bone” Was Eve Made From?

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2009-06-28

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