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2021-08-10

Pre-Christian Jewish Ideas of a Suffering and Dying Messiah

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by Neil Godfrey

In preparing my next post on Nanine Charbonnel’s Jésus-Christ, sublime figure de papier I remarked that I had posted a few times along the lines of a theme her work explores: the idea of a suffering and dying messiah among Jewish circles prior to the Christian era. I began to list those posts but found way too many to mention there so I’m posting the list separately here.

Posts addressing the question of the Jewishness of a suffering and dying messiah:

How Isaiah’s Suffering Servant and Isaac’s Sacrifice Together Prepared for Jesus Christ 2020-08-14
Horbury Argued Similarly: Jewish Messianic Ideas Explain Christianity 2019-03-02
A Suffering Messiah Before Christianity? — the other side of the question 2019-01-20
Questioning the Claim of a Pre-Christian Suffering Messiah 2019-01-20
Why a Saviour Had to Suffer and Die? Martyrdom Beliefs in Pre-Christian Times 2019-01-04
Summing Up a Case for Pre-Christian Exegesis of Dying and Suffering Messiahs by J. Jeremias (8) 2018-12-19
The 10th Testimony for a Dying Messiah Before Christianity (7) 2018-12-18
Rabbinic Traditions that the Messiah was to Suffer? (6) 2018-12-17
Jewish Pre-Christian Prophecies of Suffering Servant Messiah (5) 2018-12-16
Jewish Understandings of a Suffering Messiah before the Christian Era (4) 2018-12-15
Evidence of a Suffering Messiah Concept before Christianity (1) 2018-12-14
A Pre-Christian Jewish Suffering Messiah (2) 2018-12-13
Evidence of a Suffering Messiah Concept before Christianity (1) 2018-12-11
How Early Did Some Jews Believe in a Slain Messiah son of Joseph? 2017-04-19
Suffering and Dying Messiahs: Typically Jewish Beliefs 2017-04-16
How Did Daniel Understand Isaiah’s Suffering Servant? 2015-11-12
Isaiah’s Suffering Servant Before Christianity 2015-11-10
Suffering Messiah Is a Very Jewish Idea 2015-08-26
From Israel’s Suffering (Isaiah’s Servant) to Atoning Human/Messianic Sacrifice (Daniel) 2014-11-24
The Influence of Isaiah’s Suffering Servant Before Christianity 2014-11-23
Jewish Expectations of a Slain Messiah — the Early Evidence 2014-11-08
Messiah to be Killed in Pre-Christian Jewish Expectation — the Late Evidence 2014-11-04
The Dying Messiah Before Christianity 2014-09-14
The Evolution of the Son of Man, the Human & Divine Messiah 2014-07-08
So some Jews did expect a suffering Messiah? 2013-01-22
How Could a Crucified Jesus Be Identified With God? 2013-01-12
Does the notion of a crucified messiah need a historical easter experience? 2011-04-05
Jewish scriptures as inspiration for a Slain Messiah 2010-07-26
Jesus displaces Isaac: midrashic creation of the biblical Jesus . . . (Offering of Isaac . . . #6) 2008-06-06

Let’s add for good measure our recent post on William Wrede’s view of Paul and some earlier Vridar posts that may serve as good companions of that one:

Only One Explanation: Paul Believed in a Divine Christ “Before Jesus” 2021-08-07
How Paul Found Christ Crucified – “on a Tree” – In the Scriptures 2020-06-12
Jesus supplants Isaac — the contribution of Paul 2008-06-26

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2021-08-10

Pre-Christian Jewish Ideas of a Suffering and Dying Messiah

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by Neil Godfrey

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