2018-01-16

Daniel Gullotta’s Review of Richard Carrier’s “On the Historicity of Jesus”: that “born of a woman” passage (again)

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by Neil Godfrey

Just in case anyone missed it. . . . Tim Widowfield of Vridar posted a rather insightful and well-researched article addressing a slight weakness in Daniel Gullotta’s review of Richard Carrier’s On the Historicity of Jesus.

The Function of the Term: “Born of a Woman”

The TW post incidentally addresses a very common deficiency in biblical scholarship that has long been noticed by a few lay readers but that has yet to be addressed by the mainstream scholarly elites who have a vested interest in correcting “misperceptions” about their arguments as they appear on the world wide web.

I will be adding this post in due course to our archive on related articles @ The “Born of a Woman” / Galatians 4:4 INDEX

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Neil Godfrey on “Josephus and Jesus, New Evidence” – Review 4 – ‘he led astray many’?: “Schmidt is not being quite fair in his discussion wrt Origen. Maybe because he is aiming more at a lay…” Jul 6, 23:18
Neil Godfrey on “Josephus and Jesus, New Evidence” – Review 4 – ‘he led astray many’?: “I don’t know about that, but Origen did lament that Josephus did not believe Jesus was the Messiah.” Jul 6, 23:15
Neil Godfrey on “Josephus and Jesus, New Evidence” – Review 4 – ‘he led astray many’?: “That’s not the simplest explanation. It opens up a host of other questions, in fact. But to cut to the…” Jul 6, 23:12
James Faubel on “Josephus and Jesus, New Evidence” – Review 4 – ‘he led astray many’?: “Origen pointed out the Josephus specifically named Vespasian as the Messiah (Christ) of the Jews.” Jul 6, 22:37
Stephen on “Josephus and Jesus, New Evidence” – Review 4 – ‘he led astray many’?: “Occam’s razor: All things being equal, the simplest explanation is the best. If there is no reason to believe any…” Jul 6, 21:18
Stephen on “Josephus and Jesus, New Evidence” – Review 4 – ‘he led astray many’?: “Schmidt further observes: “The idea that Origen did know of at least some version of the TF is further supported…” Jul 6, 20:46
Stephen on “Josephus and Jesus, New Evidence” – Review 4 – ‘he led astray many’?: “Schmidt observes as have others: “Yet there is evidence for suspecting that Origen did know of some version of the…” Jul 6, 20:29
Andrew Dabrowski on “Josephus and Jesus, New Evidence” – Review 4 – ‘he led astray many’?: “I seem to recall reading somewhere that Origen had specifically checked Josephus and found no reference to Jesus. Perhaps my…” Jul 6, 20:03
James Faubel on “Josephus and Jesus, New Evidence” – Review 4 – ‘he led astray many’?: “So, how come NOBODY who read Josephus’s works noticed the FT until AFTER the 4th Century CE? Eusebius, anyone?” Jul 6, 20:00

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