2012-04-08

Earl Doherty’s response to Bart Ehrman‘s Did Jesus Exist?

[1.] Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: Introduction

Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: Chapter 1
Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: Chapters 1-2
Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: Chapter 2 continued
Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: A Roman Trio
Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: What Did Jews Have to Say?
Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: Telling the Gospels Like It Is
Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: Existence of Non-Existent Sources for the Gospels
Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: Form Criticism and the Sources of the Gospels
Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: Listening to the Sounds of Silence
Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: Three Voices on the Historical Jesus – No. 1: Papias
Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: Three Voices on the Historical Jesus – No. 2: Ignatius
Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: Three Voices on the Historical Jesus – No. 3: 1 Clement (with Addendum on the Epistle of Barnabas)
Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: Non-Pauline Epistles – Part One
Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: The Epistle to the Hebrews (Part One)
Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: The Epistle to the Hebrews (Part Two)
Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: Jesus Tradition in the Acts of the Apostles
Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: The Pauline Epistles – Part One

19. Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: The Pauline Epistles – Part Two

20. Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: The Brother of the Lord

21. Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: “Key Data” in Proving Jesus’ Historicity – The Crucified Messiah

22. Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: A Crucified Messiah

23. Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: Mythicist Claims: Problematic Record

24. Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: Mythicist Claims: The Gospels Are Interpretive Paraphrases of the OT

Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: Is Jesus Based on Pagan Precedents?

26. Earl Doherty’s Response to Bart Ehrman’s Case Against Mythicism: Mythicist Inventions: Part One – Creating the Mythical Christ from the Pagan Mystery Cults

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Lowen Gartner says:

2012-05-18 16:11:58 GMT+0000 at 16:11

I just got notified of part 12……what happened to parts 9 – 11. How do I find an index page if this is not it?

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1. Neil Godfrey says:
  
  2012-05-18 16:55:47 GMT+0000 at 16:55
  
  Ah, I’m slack. Will update this soon.
  
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2. Neil Godfrey says:
  
  2012-05-18 17:08:47 GMT+0000 at 17:08
  
  Updated now. I try to keep this updated as the posts come through. Sometimes real life gets in the way and it’s not always current.
  
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  1. Lowen Gartner says:
    
    2012-05-19 03:33:22 GMT+0000 at 03:33
    
    Thanks – I guess there are other ways to keep up to date. I just don’t know them.
    
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Lowen Gartner says:

2012-06-27 13:57:34 GMT+0000 at 13:57

I don’t know if anyone can help. In an online discussion, after I recommended this page and paying attention to Doherty, all of Doherty’s ideas were dismissed with a single statement: Doherty;s whole thesis is founded that Paul’s Jesus resided in a fleshly sub-lunar realm, which he asserts was a common feature of Middle Platonic thought. This idea is met with a universal “What? Do you know anything about Middle Platonism? It doesn’t say that at all.”

Has this been addressed and does anyone know of a link or book I can read to understand how to respond to it?

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1. Neil Godfrey says:
  
  2012-06-27 22:59:53 GMT+0000 at 22:59
  
  To see what Doherty does in fact argue have a look at http://vridar.wordpress.com/2012/04/02/ehrmans-most-bizarre-criticism-of-all-against-doherty/ where I quote Doherty’s words against Ehrman’s attack with a similar dismissal.
  
  To show what were the common ideas at the time of Paul I have posted:
  
  http://vridar.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/ancient-beliefs-about-heavenly-realms-demons-and-the-end-of-the-world/
  
  http://vridar.wordpress.com/2010/09/30/demonology-the-basics-of-middle-platonic-beliefs-as-a-background-to-early-christianity/
  
  http://vridar.wordpress.com/2010/08/16/doherty-the-sublunar-realm-and-paul-correcting-some-disinformation/
  
  and the archive on the Fallen Watchers: http://vridar.wordpress.com/category/religion/fallen-watchers/
  
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2. GakuseiDon says:
  
  2012-06-27 23:21:44 GMT+0000 at 23:21
  
  Lowen, you won’t find Doherty’s “World of Myth” theory in any books or scholarly essays on how people thought back then. It is missing from John Dillon’s comprehensive “The Middle Platonists, 80 B.C. to A.D. 220”. It is missing from the primary sources of pagan literature like Plutarch, as well as secondary sources. You can’t open a scholarly book and read a chapter about “the World of Myth” theory, because it doesn’t exist.
  
  For me, Doherty distorts the thinking of the pagans and Jews in Paul’s time in order to jam his theories in. And that is a damn shame, because how they thought back then is fascinating. All rationalists need to resist that kind of agenda-ridden distortion, whether it comes from the bad apologetics of the fundamentalists, or the bad apologetics of the mythicists. Ask yourself: how would you go about proving or disproving Doherty’s theories?
  
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  1. Steven Carr says:
    
    2012-06-28 00:19:02 GMT+0000 at 00:19
    
    Why did Paul think there was a Jerusalem above us?
    
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    1. Steven Carr says:
      
      2012-06-28 00:20:39 GMT+0000 at 00:20
      
      Why did the author of Hebrews think there was a tabernacle above us?
      
      Where was the third Heaven that Paul claimed to have gone to?
      
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2018-11-22 12:42:01 GMT+0000 at 12:42

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