Even worse than Gilad Atzmon’s nightmare is the very likelihood that many Christian Zionists — gentiles themselves — will agree with Rabbi Yosef’s dream of a master race over the rest . . . .
In case the Goyim cannot find a purpose in their life, Israeli senior Sephardi Rabbi Ovadia Yosef is there to help them out. In his Saturday sermon Rabbi Yosef revealed that the sole purpose of Gentiles is to serve Jews. “Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world.” The Rabbi was also kind enough to provide the Goyim with some precise tasks. “Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why gentiles were created.”
They may even console themselves that through their God they will refine Rabbi Yosef’s dream to allow a super-elite of believing Jews and other Christians at the top of the pyramid.
See for the full article: http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/gilad-atzmon-from-rabbi-yosef-to-marx.html
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according to the jews at messiah truth forum islam is not idolatry but christianity is.
one jew says,
http://messiahtruth.yuku.com/reply/42196#reply-42196
Ideally, Eretz Yisraél should be free from all idolatry—which includes chrstianity (but not Islam)—and, God willing, in the time of the King-Mashiyaḥ it will be so. However, until that time, we have to tolerate idol-worshippers in our “midst”.
Moreover, God commands us in His Torah to loathe and despise all idol-worshippers (and, again, that includes chrstians)….
פְּסִילֵ֥י אֱלֹֽהֵיהֶ֖ם תִּשְׂרְפ֣וּן בָּאֵ֑שׁ לֹֽא־תַחְמֹד֩ כֶּ֨סֶף וְזָהָ֤ב עֲלֵיהֶם֙ וְלָֽקַחְתָּ֣ לָ֔ךְ פֶּ֚ן תִּוָּקֵ֣שׁ בּ֔וֹ כִּ֧י תֽוֹעֲבַ֛ת יְיָ֥ אֱלֹהֶ֖יךָ הֽוּא׃ וְלֹֽא־תָבִ֤יא תֽוֹעֵבָה֙ אֶל־בֵּיתֶ֔ךָ וְהָיִ֥יתָ חֵ֖רֶם כָּמֹ֑הוּ שַׁקֵּ֧ץ ׀ תְּֽשַׁקְּצֶ֛נּוּ וְתַעֵ֥ב ׀ תְּֽתַֽעֲבֶ֖נּוּ כִּי־חֵ֥רֶם הֽוּא׃”Burn the carved statues of their gods in a fire; don’t desire the silver or gold that decorates them and take it for yourself in case it entraps you: it is disgusting to Adonai your God. Don’t bring anything disgusting like that [i.e. like the precious metals that decorate the gentiles’ idols] into your house or you will become ḥérem like them [i.e. like the idol-worshippers] — you are to feel total revulsion and utter disgust for each of them because they are ḥérem.” (D’varim 7:25-26)
and I repeat that this includes chrstianity, which IS idolatry (whether chrstians like to admit it or not).”
so according to the well learnt mordochai, the proffessor, people like madman and other paulines are HEREM! ”
what i don’t get is why the zionist jews are DEPENDING on “HEREM” who believe that the jewish god was hanging off a cross.
I don’t think the Christian Zionist will accept toiling for rabbi Yosef’s bread. I think their plan is to see Jesus come and convert all the Jews to Christianity in the last days. On Atzmon’s link between Jews and capitalism, that may have been a hot topic 100 years ago, but I can’t say I’m worried about the master plan of the ultra orthodox rabbis and world domination or anything. Who seriously talks about Marxism these days anyhow? Maybe we should feel the rabbi’s head for lumps so we can find out what phrenology has to say about him.
Tony, politics makes strange bed fellows. Fundy Christians need Jews to kick off the Apocalypse, fundy Jews need fundy Christian money. The U.S. position of course only has as much to do with the Apocalypse as fundies contribute to the vote. There are a number of other reasons the U.S. backs Israel.
The biblical view of animals is that they were put here “for our sake.” While it is true that, according to the Talmudic literature, everything in the world was created to benefit man (cf. Shabbat 77b), other Jewish writers attest to a view of animals that is not only sympathetic but heroic. Rabbi Yehuda HaChasid (1150 -1217), in Sefer Chasidim, says: “Be kind and compassionate to all creatures that the Holy One, Blessed be He, created in this world. Never beat nor inflict pain on any animal, beast, bird or insect. Do not throw stones at a dog or a cat, nor should ye kill flies or wasps.” I suppose his attitude to non-Jews was no less heroic.
JW:
Is this the worst you can do Neil? Why not (in)cite the pro-Palestinian leader of a major Muslim country who thinks Israel is evil and wicked and should be wiped out and would do it if he could? Or why not cite Palestinians who say the same? Is there a reason why you have never shown Palestinian racism here?
Joseph
If the article was about Zionist racism against Arabs I would not have bothered to have read it, let alone posted it.
(Gilad Atzmon has much to say about what he calls “tribalism” that I think is worth consideration.)
Joseph’s argument is essentially, “Hey! You! Look over there!” In some circles, especially within the U.S., this is considered a compelling argument. However, he’s missing the big picture.
The rabbi is actually conveying good news. We Goyim have a purpose, so we’ll be kept around — to till the soil, man the factories, and make soap. Our work will make us free.
If that isn’t loving your neighbor, then I don’t know what the hell is.
I suppose it’s more compassionate than the Christian Zionist view that will have all Jews who don’t convert killed by Jesus.
What a stupid racist. He uses the arabic term “effendi” showing how he’s not even a real Jew himself. A Jewish supremacist speaking Arabic? For shame. Jewish racists are supposed to use Hebrew terminology to sound all superior, not Arabic. Idiot. OR IS HE A MUSLIM PRETENDING TO BE A JEW—HAS THE ARABIC FREUDIAN SLIP BETRAYED HIM?
Or, maybe its like the Democrats and Republicans pretending to hate each other and bicker so they can keep us distracted enough to steal all our money. The Jews and Muslims pretend to fight each other so they can eventually subjugate the Gentiles, so they can be “effendis’.
In a related post I spoke of one analysis that sees a strange bifurcation of anti-semitism since WW2:
1. A transfer of demonization of the Semitic race from the Jews to their Arab brothers;
2. A kind of reverse racism towards the Jews giving them a status of special justification that is denied to others.
I don’t know the situation in your part of the world, and only a little regarding Europe, but in the States I would attribute the better view of Jews over Arabs, to A. assimilation, Jews have been here awhile and so there seen as part of the cultural landscape. The U.S. invented Woody Allen and Charlie Chaplin you know. Arabs on the other hand tend to be newer immigrants and to be honest, in the States they aren’t much separated from other easterners and tend to get lumped in with Pakistanis, Persians, and until 9/11 even Indians. B. lack of violence committed against westerners by Jews. The era of Jewish attacks against the British was a long time ago, and any how the U.S. was never sympathetic to Europe’s colonial empires. Before you mention Vietnam, remember we refused to assist France in maintain the colony and only got involved after their withdrawal. If Europe has more issues with Muslims now than in the past, I would also attribute it to the usual immigrant fears. They’re a lot more Arabs and Turks in Europe today than Jews. The degree of favoritism that the State of Israel gets over the Palestinians I think goes back to a number of mistakes the various Palestinian liberation movements made over the years, mainly the high profile terror operations and seeking the backing of the U.S.S.R. No doubt guilt over the Holocaust played part, but I don’t think this is quite as big an issue as some make out of it. Sympathy doesn’t get you far in the world, just ask the African Americans.
> Before you mention Vietnam, remember we refused to assist France in maintain the colony and only got involved after their withdrawal.
Except for the part where the US in conjunction with the other allies at Potsdam “donated” Indochina to France. And except for the part where the allies all chipped in to help the French re-arm and transport troops to Southeast Asia. And except for the part where the U.S. provided millions of dollars in support of the war effort — $200 million in 1952, rising to well over $400 million in 1954. But yeah, other than giving Vietnam to them and providing military support, the U.S. hardly did a thing to help…
Hint: When Graham Greene used the term “clean hands” in The Quiet American it was meant to be ironic.
Thanks for the correction Tim, though I find the degree of assistance rather light by U.S. standards (compare with the U.S. assistance in South Korea during the Korean War)and mostly came as responses to the Cold War, not our desire to prop up France’s Empire. At Potsdam all the winners were allowed to keep their colonies. If Howard Zinn thinks that the U.S. should have demanded freedom for all colonies, I agree and raise him that we should have demanded the U.S.S.R. withdraw to its post WWI borders, but real politics of the time I think would prevent any such radical rearrangements of the world.
Mike: …real politics of the time I think would prevent any such radical rearrangements of the world…
The U.S. government wasn’t interested in any radical rearrangements, U.S.S.R. or no U.S.S.R. Victory in the Second World War meant the Pacific was now Mare Nostrum. It spelled the end of British dominance of world trade and the ascendancy of U.S. economic imperialism. Dismantling the European colonial empires might be palatable as a means of reducing competition in world markets, but not all at once — not until we could install right-wing dictators friendly to U.S. business.
Oh, crap. One of the reasons I immersed myself in NT studies as a hobby was to escape from politics, of which I am sick to death.
Tim, I would argue that U.S. government is a little helter skelter in its world out look. there is no unified force plotting our world stratagy, but lots of little competing interest. that might explain our lack of success in setting up all those right wing dictatorships before the European empires unravelled. The funny part is it isn’t just folks like you but foreign governments that can’t comprehend that the U.S. isn’t run by tiny cabal of buisness and political leaders. The recent Russian spy case largely involved them finding out in formation that was publicly known because Putin thinks the news media is secretly controlled by the state.
Do the Pentagon Papers mean nothing any more for understanding U.S. invasion of Vietnam? It was, furthermore, none other than U.S. President Eisenhower, not an out of touch or uninformed conspiracy theorist, who warned of the reality of the power and influence of the military-industrial complex. Is not the divergence between Obama’s pre-election promises and the reality of what happens once in office evidence that the Presidency is a tool of larger forces within the system?
I can see it might be timely for me to catch up with continuing my posts on the history of the Zionist takeover of Palestine and expulsion of the Palestinians.
In response to Tim’s final comment, some politics is nothing less worthy than activating humane values.
Muslims don’t have to buy health insurance under Obama’s new plan, but everyone else including Jews has to spend 7% of their income on it. So the whole the Jews are treated better than the Muslims thing is crap.