2007-04-08

Link fixed – Formal debate: The Historical Resurrection of Jesus?

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Formal Debate “The Historical Resurrection of Jesus?”

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Author Neil GodfreyPosted on 2007-04-08 21:24:55 GMT+00002019-07-20 01:30:34 GMT+0000Categories Biblical Studies, New TestamentTags Resurrection of Jesus

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2007-04-09 06:23:09 GMT+0000 at 06:23

Gosh, I am very flattered that you think it is worthy of a link.

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