Can a lay person reasonably evaluate a scholarly argument?

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by Neil Godfrey


Some professors make a false equation between the humanities/social sciences on the one hand and hard sciences/mathematics on the other and imply both are equally incomprehensible to the general public.

Once again we see a representative of the elite coterie of theologians pouring scorn on the ability of mere lay people to make any valid assessment of their highly learned and scholarly arguments.

Carrier suggests that laypeople can and should evaluate the arguments of experts, even with respect to the consensus. That seems to me strikingly odd – if laypeople who do not have the extensive knowledge professional scholars do can normally (and not just in exceptional rare cases) evaluate matters in that domain, then surely that implies that one doesn’t need the extensive knowledge of data experts have in order to draw conclusions. But anyone who has studied a subject even as an undergraduate, and has had what they thought was a brilliant insight, only to discover through grad school that their idea was neither new nor brilliant, will probably protest that Carrier is wrong. (Professor James McGrath, Galileo was Wrong, 8th May 2014, my emphasis)

Of course the first thing one notes here is the mischievous framing of the question. Our theologian friend makes it sound as if what is open to challenge are the complex details of “data”, the facts, let’s say the nuances of Greek, Syriac and Aramaic texts, and so forth, by only partially informed amateurs and whether they should be so flippant on a “normal” every-day basis.

Of course that is not what the issue is at all. In matters of historical inquiry there is no argument or data that is so complex that it cannot be explained simply and understood by the average anybody. History is not advanced mathematics or quantum physics. If theologians have good arguments for the historical existence of Jesus then there is no reason they cannot be presented in a way that is comprehensible to all.

To this extent the Professor is being a little misleading when he implies that the views of theologians (and let’s add historians here, too) and scientists deserve equally unquestioning acceptance by the public. A historian can explain to me clearly in a way I can understand the reasons, the evidence, for his or her claims and I can understand the arguments of other historians who disagree. I cannot do the same with scholars who debate questions in mathematics or complex physics and the origins of the universe. I have forgotten too much of the science I once learned to pretend I can even fully understand or evaluate the research of climate scientists.

Unfortunately McGrath’s post fails to grasp this basic point. In his failure to grasp the fact that there really is a vast gulf between the humanities/social sciences on the one hand and the hard sciences/mathematics on the other when it comes to the potential for public understanding, he probably fails to realize how patronizing his stance really is.

That is, his argument takes a turn that sets up an ignorant elitist gulf between academics generally and a riff-raff public.

(Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that academics are not superior to others at some things. There would be real problems if they weren’t. Universities can truly be said to contain more of the most intelligent members of society than other institutions. But anyone who works among academics, whether as an academic or support staff, also knows that a few of them truly are the most arrogant, insufferable snobs. I am sure Professor McGrath is not one of those, but he does unfortunately express a snobbish — certainly a breathtakingly thoughtless — argument in his post.)

Before we turn our attention to the elephant in the room, maybe I could use my own way of evaluating scholarly arguments to make the point that a lay amateur really can make valid evaluations of scholarly arguments. If Professor McGrath or anyone else can find serious error and a propensity for misjudgment in how I go about assessing scholarly claims I would love to be told. I have been seriously wrong about things before so I have tried to hone my methods of learning to try to be less wrong now.

How an amateur evaluates the scholarly arguments

croissantLet’s start at the beginning. The lay person selects a title of interest by a well-known scholar in a bookshop and begins to read. Let’s take Crossan’s Jesus: A Revolutionary Biography, as an example. This was probably the first book on the historical Jesus I ever read. Here’s how I react as I read. . . .

As a layman I quickly notice that the title is an abridged version of a more scholarly work. That disappoints me. I want to learn what the scholarly arguments are and I’ve started off with the popular version instead of the scholarly one.

Nonetheless, it is a quick and easy read and a good introduction to one scholar’s viewpoint.

As I read I come across numerous quotations of ancient sources and citations of modern scholarly works. The book is not turning out to be such a quick read after all. I find myself stopping to explore many of these ancient sources and other works. I want the full context of ancient texts from which Crossan has quoted excerpts. I want to be able to see for myself the full context and meaning of the “original”. Past experience has taught me that sometimes even authors who have a high reputation can make mistakes or be misleading. So I check and learn as I go.

When I run across a citation of another scholar I especially pause and wonder whenever Crossan tells me he is disagreeing with their argument. Now I have no reason to doubt Crossan’s integrity, but at the same time I do understand from experience that it is always a good idea to hear the other side from the mouth or pen of the person making the point, not just the one opposing it. So this one book leads me to reading others.

Sometimes Crossan is agreeing with and assuming knowledge of the work of another scholar, or makes a point in passing in a footnote that I think is quite interesting but about which I know very little, and that’s just as frustrating because I’m an amateur so I have to go and find that scholar’s works and learn what he or she has to say, too.

Then in the internet age I have the wonderful advantage of  being able to join scholarly discussion forums and listen in on the authors themselves debate points. I can even email some of them to ask for further clarifications or guidance in reading.

So one small paperback leads me to reading widely a range of sources and viewpoints.

I become aware that Crossan is not “the” one view among his peers. His views are hotly contested as well as strongly argued.

And that leads to . . . .

I do not know what to think. I think Crossan has made some very interesting points and his methods of analysis of evidence and use of various models have opened my eyes to new ways of approaching any reading of the gospels and inquiry into Christian origins. At the same time I fully understand that there is much room for debate.

Consequence? By now I have acquired a long list of title and authors and questions I want to explore. The list is long. So I start reading. Widely. All sides. And I keep watching the discussion forums. Sometimes I test an idea of my own there. It’s about Q and what I think is a reasonably argued point for Luke to have borrowed from one small section of Matthew. I am flattered to see one scholar agrees with me — others stay silent. So I know my interpretations are just as debatable as anyone else’s.

I am beginning to question Q. So I read all I can of arguments in its favour. Am I missing something? Am I being too glib? Read Kloppenborg, read Mack, not just one work but several: be sure I understand what it is I find myself questioning. Outcome: I continue to have some questions but I do not “reject” Q either. The arguments are clearly well thought through and far from simplistic.


When scholars disagree

But what is an amateur like me to make of an argument over the meaning of a controversial Greek phrase or debates over gospel sources?

I don’t think it’s really as difficult as it might seem. One suspends judgment until one has the opportunity to see the arguments in full on both sides. One reads critical reviews and rebuttals as well as defences of an argument. I’m lucky to have access to many scholarly databases where a good number of these are freely available.

I am no expert on Greek or Syriac but I can follow a logical argument and notice when an assertion is unambiguously supported by the data or not. I can read exchanges and I can see which scholar makes the more watertight case — but always remaining open to more information that might come from another point of view.

I can see when one scholar is ignoring or attempting to deflect an argument made by another. I can see when a scholar does indeed directly answer an opposing point with evidence and logic and when he or she simply fudges.

When scholars debate among themselves they can see the same human strengths or weaknesses in logic or supported claims as anyone else who takes the trouble to listen in or read. I can’t contribute to the technical knowledge but I can see how people use reason and logic to make their points.

History and textual analysis is not, after all, as obscure as mathematics.

When scholars agree

Here the Professor shows disdain for the general public’s intelligence.

The experts may be resistant to new ideas. But they are also required as part of their profession to come up with new ideas. And when the experts agree about something for good reason, regularly the general public then resists what the consensus of experts tries to convince them of. That doesn’t suggest that most laypeople are well poised to do better than the consensus of experts. (my emphasis)

In this professor’s mind the public confusion in the United States over climate change is typical of how the “general public” regularly responds to expert consensus. No consideration is given to any competing factors such as vested interests waging a fiercely unrelenting propaganda campaign with the assistance of just enough maverick scientists to give them credibility. Can our Professor assure us that the “general public”, or at least around half of it, is indeed responding to “expert consensus” or can he instead assure us they are responding to a propaganda campaign fueled by vested interests? How can he know what they are responding to? Has he done, or does he know of, the research that would answer that question?

No smoking deviance

No smoking deviance (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

As for the way the “general public” or “most laypeople” respond when science education campaigns are sufficiently funded to counter vested interests we have seen very positive changes, an embracing of the science, when it comes to the dangers of AIDS, of the requirements for birth control, of the dangers of cigarette smoking, of the truth of evolution, of the adoption of mobile phones (how many still think they cause cancer?), of new drugs to fight this or that condition.

Our professor has a very poor view of such a general public.

The only exception in that mix, as far as I know, is the reluctance of the United States “general public” to accept evolution. But the U.S. is the exceptional modern industrial economy in that it is on a par with some of the more backward and less educated countries when it comes to the embracing of religious beliefs. But if that is the case, and we know it is, then we would expect most of the general public to embrace religious beliefs without good reason. We would expect public questioning of theologians in America to be an exception rather than the rule. Could this be why the Professor is miffed when some members of public don’t accept the consensus of theologians? Does he believe they are misbehaving?


Now we come to the pointy end. Most scholars agree Jesus was a historical person. Who am I to disagree?

Actually this is much easier than Professor McGrath wants us to believe.

Firstly, I look at the arguments on both sides.

Secondly, I examine how mythicists address the arguments for the existence of Jesus. Are they fair? Are they logical? Are they evidence-based? I may conclude that a few have the appearance of being fair and logical and evidence-based. So I will want to know how the scholars respond in turn.

Some mythicist points maybe are not so valid or fair, but others leave me wondering: I suspend judgment.

Thirdly, I examine how scholars on the opposing side respond to these questionable areas.

If I see they respond with scorn and little other than appeal to “the consensus” I begin to worry that they do not have any adequate answer. Or maybe they are just very busy and don’t have time to reply thoughtfully. So I wait for the responses of those who have clearly set aside time to offer full rebuttals.

I read rebuttals of mythicist arguments by Maurice Goguel (Hoffmann’s favourite), Shirley Jackson Case, H.G. Wood (Larry Hurtado’s favorite), A.D. Howell Smith, Albert Schweitzer, Robert E. Van Voorst, Bart Ehrman, Maurice Casey (highly esteemed by Jim West). I also read every one of James McGrath’s blogposts on the early chapters of Earl Doherty’s book.

McGrath quotes this truism from Carrier:

But a consensus has zero argumentative value when the individual scholars comprising that consensus have neither

(a) examined the strongest case against that consensus nor

(b) examined enough of it to be able to identify and articulate significant errors of fact or logic in it.

So it is fallacious (indeed, a conspicuously unreliable practice) to just cite the consensus on anything, without first ascertaining whose opinions within that consensus actually count.

To which McGrath responds:

It is absurd to suggest that most historians have not considered the strongest case for mythicism . . .

McGrath follows up by pointing to his own “reviews” of the first few chapters of Doherty’s book and to Shirley Jackson Case’s book against the mythicism of his day as evidence to supposedly contradict Carrier’s point.

So let’s have a look to get some idea why none of the publications opposing the Christ Myth theory can claim to have put the question to rest. I can of course only point to samples from each of the authors here.

Stop. I’ll do that in the next post. This one is already long enough.






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  • 2014-05-17 10:20:38 UTC - 10:20 | Permalink

    This is going to be a good one…

  • Wentham
    2014-05-17 14:02:36 UTC - 14:02 | Permalink

    The classic commonsense argument against all experts altogether, is the story of 1) the Emperor’s New Clothes.

    After that 2) your own argument that informed laymen might reasonably hope to say something valid here, seems useful.

    After both of these, it might be useful to 3) remember that for 2,000 years, everyone in the West – even a “scholar” – was forced to swear allegiance to belief in Jesus Christ the Lord, in countless churches. This has meant a systematic bias even in scholarship.

  • David Cox
    2014-05-17 17:24:55 UTC - 17:24 | Permalink

    The one that drives me crazy is the dating of the Gospels. We have no documents whatsoever from before say 175 (using most recent speculations on P52), there are no quotes from any with the possible of Ignatian letters (which are disputed on when and whom). Not until about 180 are we certain based on patristic sources, Ireneaus I believe. So the consensus is 70 for Mark, 80 Matthew, etc. It is all complete guesses, no proof! Can we not question this? and say “What are the assumptions you made to get to that”?

  • Kris Rhodes
    2014-05-18 00:10:23 UTC - 00:10 | Permalink

    This is a pretty evil cliffhanger. I hope you will post the follow-up soon.

  • 2014-05-18 01:23:36 UTC - 01:23 | Permalink

    In a recent comment, James McGrath said that it is very probable that Jesus used the word “abba.” This is the argument he offered in a 2008 post, citing Paul’s use of the word:

    Paul already seems to have associated the address of God as Father in Aramaic with Jesus’ relationship to God as son. The only appearances of this Aramaic word in the New Testament are in the earliest Gospel and in Paul’s letters. And there is no reason Paul would have used the term in writing to non-Aramaic-speaking Christians other than that the term already had some significance for them, presumably in connection with Jesus, the object of their faith and devotion.

    In other words: Christians’ use of “abba” probably predates Romans and 1 Corinthians. Ergo, Jesus must have said it.”

    I think that the logical gap should be obvious to any layman, but McGrath scolded me for casually dismissing the argument when I am unfamiliar with “the extensive research that has been done on this topic, and the compelling case made for authenticity.” I don’t get it.

    • Neil Godfrey
      2014-05-18 02:26:43 UTC - 02:26 | Permalink

      Surely Professor McGrath cannot be representative of the guild. Perhaps if you take your question to the biblical_studies yahoo group of scholars. . . . . Or to Hurtado, or West, or Crossley, or Goodacre, or Hoffmann, or the Remnant of Giants. . . . ?

    • Tim Widowfield
      2014-05-18 21:20:00 UTC - 21:20 | Permalink

      Abba appears only three times in the NT, always in prayer and always followed with “ho pater.” In Paul’s letters (Galatians and Romans) it appears with a special term referring to the “divine adoption” of believers in Christ. It’s quite plausible that the word “abba” and the theological doctrine of becoming the adopted sons of God originated with Paul himself. After all, the only other citation (in Mark) occurs at Gethsemane with no witnesses.

      I don’t see how McGrath’s understanding of Abba in the NT is the only possible interpretation, or even the most likely. After all, his interpretation ignores the implications of πνεῦμα υἱοθεσίας (the spirit of the adoption as sons) and focuses only on Jesus.

  • Mark Erickson
    2014-05-18 02:28:31 UTC - 02:28 | Permalink
    • Tim Widowfield
      2014-05-18 06:51:51 UTC - 06:51 | Permalink

      Good grief. That’s painful. I commend your and Vinny’s patience.

      This line from McG. sums it up nicely:

      “What on earth are you talking about?”

      • Vinnyjh57
        2014-05-18 14:46:45 UTC - 14:46 | Permalink

        Patience pays off. I have been wondering for a year what things McGrath thinks Jesus “almost certainly said” and I finally got him to identify one.

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  • Greg
    2014-05-18 07:35:16 UTC - 07:35 | Permalink

    Wow. So if McGrath’s assessment of the public is correct why even have public intellectuals? If the layperson is too hopelessly resistant to any attempt to educate that the goal is simply to foist unquestionable dogmas onto them and shame them into submission then it’s pointless for any scholar to descend the Ivory Tower. What fruitful exchange could possibly occur when your audience is the enemy?

  • Sili
    2014-05-18 13:35:50 UTC - 13:35 | Permalink

    Of course, if laypeople stand no chance of evaluating scholarly arguments, what’s the point of writing books about NT studies aimed at the general public? Is McGrath going to chide Ehrman for his books aimed at non-scholars?

    • 2014-05-19 00:46:11 UTC - 00:46 | Permalink

      Why, to securely communicate revelation from on high, like Moses did with the Commandments. 🙂

    • Greg
      2014-05-19 02:34:24 UTC - 02:34 | Permalink

      Indeed, if your audience is such a lost cause it’s most expedient to simply dictate the conclusions they must learn to regurgitate verbatim if you’re going to engage at all.

      Things certainly look bleak for the NT guild – how are they to get any new blood when those outside it are so hostile to their work? Perhaps academic training works like baptism cleansing the soul of the rabid contrarian within.

  • 2014-05-18 16:43:50 UTC - 16:43 | Permalink

    “To this extent (McGrath) is being a little misleading when he implies that the views of theologians (and let’s add historians here, too) and scientists deserve equally unquestioning acceptance by the public.”

    That’s kind of the crux of the problem. Christian theologians are trained to believe that they are historians. And this deliberate confusion of two disciplines has been at the very heart of Christian theology since the second century, if not earlier. Rooted in Christian dogma is the (false) premise that it is an “historical” religion, and therefore true, and thus Christian theologians are by default also historians. I’m sure people McGrath have never questioned this; it is simply inculcated into the training of a Seminary student without question or comment.

    • pakeha
      2014-05-19 20:34:42 UTC - 20:34 | Permalink

      Amen, amen.

  • Neil Godfrey
    2014-05-19 08:51:40 UTC - 08:51 | Permalink

    Correct me if my memory fails, but I seem to recall James McGrath protesting that mythicists did not engage with the scholarship. Then he read Earl Doherty’s engagement with the scholarship and used it to argue support for some of his reasoning and background perspectives and McGrath immediately cried Foul! and even inferred no-one has a right to quote scholarship unless whoever they quote also agrees with their own conclusions.

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  • 2014-05-19 15:35:35 UTC - 15:35 | Permalink

    Of course laypeople should evaluate the arguments of scholars. Just because someone is a public intellectual doesn’t mean they can use bad arguments and get away with it. If a scholar uses bad math to argue for some position, it is well within a layperson’s right to point out the bad math. Similarly, if a scholar uses logical fallacies, then we should also point out the bad logic. The most common logical fallacy I’ve encountered in the mythicist debate is the “this is in Aramaic therefore Jesus said it”. It’s a pretty basic affirming the consequent fallacy, but it unbelievably still gets used. Another one is the trope “absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence”. That is also a logical fallacy but still gets used.

  • Clarke Owens
    2014-05-24 13:46:18 UTC - 13:46 | Permalink

    At this point, we may begin to separate the types of epistemological arguments that are made to defend one’s position and assail someone else’s. My examples come from Bart Ehrman, Did Jesus Exist?

    The first argument is that you are foolish to even question the existence of the “historical” Jesus considering that there is unshakable consensus among the NT scholars; i.e., you have no right to question us because you lack our expertise. This is essentially the straight appeal to authority, which seeks to cut off all dissent at the outset.

    Then follows a substantive argument which reveals the biased methodology.

    Example: Ehrman presents a series of propositions from D.M Murdock, all of which are questionable. His conclusion: you cannot even take Murdock seriously, because she is so given to error. The bias is revealed when we see how Ehrman treats his own authority, Papias. He presents a series of propositions from Papias, all but one of which are clearly erroneous (Jesus rose from the dead, etc.), and which P. asserts are all equally meritorious. The one that is not clearly erroneous is that Jesus existed. Ehrman’s conclusion? The last proposition (Jesus existed) must be true because it is not clearly false. The treatment of Murdock is completely different from that of Papias, with no reason for it other than that the methodology of the NT scholars has preferred conclusions which it seeks to rationalize.

    Now, go back to the original argument, and ask whether you are willing to surrender your reason to these authorities.

  • Vike
    2014-06-15 09:43:38 UTC - 09:43 | Permalink

    McGrath is just an intellectually dishonest windbag. I’ve read and seen enough of him to determine this, incl. some personal exchanges on FB where he resorted to ad-hom attacks from the outset, when I said I didn’t think HJ was a universally settled fact.

    He appears to pride himself rather highly on his academic status, and I think his self esteem takes a blow when non scholars bring something innovative and fresh to the table. He needs to get over himself.

  • muuh-gnu
    2014-06-29 08:43:56 UTC - 08:43 | Permalink

    This is a classic case of the “If yur point is not defensible, don’t make it comprehensible” scheme, nowadays also known as “Courtier’s reply” fallacy.

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