2025-12-02

Evidence Against Jerusalem in Persian Times Producing the Hebrew Bible

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by Neil Godfrey

The following (and previous) post can be used as part of an argument for the Hellenistic origin of the Hebrew Bible.

In the previous post I bracketed off the main paper in a reader that might not be immediately visible in all browsers so here it is reformatted to be read directly as a blog post.

There are two parts to the essay. In the first, I address the theoretical or literary reasons many scholars have assigned much of the biblical literature to the Persian period and point out why those reasons are flawed. Some have wondered why certain Bible sections would seem to present Persian time as the setting for a revival of a reformed and revived Yahweh worship and the beginnings of what we would recognize as Judaism unless that had a historical basis. As I point out in the first part, we see an alternative answer when we acknowledge that Hellenistic writings were quite open to looking back on the Persian era as something of a golden age in order to contrast it with “the present evil times”.

The second part is the main argument: we look at the archaeological evidence that can tell us whether Jerusalem was the kind of society where we would expect to find scribes and priests engaged in the archival work of selecting and collating various texts, writing out new or revised treatises and traditions, — (in Hebrew) — and so forth. One must note the degraded condition of Jerusalem ever since the Babylonian conquest. The area settled was drastically reduced. Some estimate a population as low as 400, but others prefer to imagine (without any evidence) that a large area between the city proper and the Temple Mount was also populated and so bring an estimated population up to 5000. Jerusalem at this time has been described as a “post-collapse society” — a society where a remnant continued to eke out a living by occupying ruins, meaning that their dwellings remained ruins with scant attempts at rebuilding. No Hebrew inscriptions are to be found. Jerusalem was not even an economic or administrative hub. Yet some archaeologists continue to interpret the finds — more particularly, certain absences of finds — as indicators of the kind of community posited by Nehemiah and Ezra, with a thriving priesthood tending a regular flow of pilgrims coming to worship at their cherished Temple. This image owes much to biblical literature and traditions. It is very difficult to catch glimpses of it in the recovered evidence, as the essay following demonstrates.

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A rough outline of the place of Jerusalem in the Persian period — Ramat Raḥal was the administrative centre, Moza was more economically active, the defence of trade routes and centers (not Jerusalem) was the priority. (Trade routes loosely based on Fischer, Moshe, Benjamin Isaac, and Israel Roll. Roman Roads in Judaea II: The Jaffa-Jerusalem Roads: The Jaffa-Jerusalem Roads. Ann Arbor, MI: University of Michigan Press, 1996. 312.)

The Persian Period and the Formation of the Hebrew Bible: A Reassessment of the Evidence from Jerusalem

Impressive evidence for scribal infrastructure in Judah disappeared, I repeat, disappeared after the 586 BC destruction. In the Babylonian and Persian period the southern highlands show almost no evidence of Hebrew, underlining Hebrew, inscriptions. . . . Not a single Hebrew inscription is known for the period between 586 and 350. Not an ostracon, nor a seal, nor a seal impression, nor a bulla. In short, there is no evidence for Hebrew writing culture in Yehud. — Israel Finkelstein1

This essay seeks to test common arguments that much of the biblical literature was taking shape in Persian period Jerusalem against Finkelstein’s observation above. It will begin with some general methodological points of argument before exploring in depth how the evidence has been interpreted by archaeologists.

The Hebrew Bible’s formation is almost2 universally recognized as a complex process involving the collation and redaction of multiple Judean and Samarian texts into a more or less coherent narrative. Numerous scribes—and even entire scribal schools—worked with archived sources to produce documents forming the ideological foundation of the Jerusalem Yahweh cult.3 The results reveal a high level of literary sophistication among both authors and intended audiences.4

There is also a widespread understanding that much of this literature was composed or at least took final shape in Persian-period Jerusalem.5 The paucity of archaeological evidence in Jerusalem from the Persian period is not generally seen as a major hurdle since the “lack of a distinct Persian material culture has also been noted in other territories under Persian rule.”6 In Jerusalem, this relative absence of Persian period remains has been explained as later building over earlier Achaemenid levels.7 Scribal institutions are assumed to have continued in the land despite the Babylonian deportations. Especially since the appearance of Hans Barstad’s The Myth of the Empty Land in 1996 the view that these conquests inflicted on Jerusalem major, even irreparable, cultural and institutional collapse has been widely dismissed as an ideological “biblical myth”.8 It is now common to accept the continuation of both a substantial population and cultural and cultic institutions, including the scribal class,9 and even that a significant number of elites returned with the advent of Persian rule.10 Hence Jerusalem is often imagined as the cradle of biblical composition.

The essay has two parts. The first assesses arguments linking specific literary outputs to Persian period material conditions; the second focuses on Jerusalem. A comprehensive study would extend beyond the city to the wider province of Yehud, Samaria, and Elephantine, and compare Persian-period evidence with Iron Age and Hellenistic contexts. That extended scope could confirm or challenge conclusions of this essay. But we begin with a limited focus. Unless otherwise stated references to Jerusalem will be to Persian period Jerusalem.

Part One

A common rationale for situating the development of biblical literature in the Persian period is the perception of its ideological and thematic resonance with the Persian world. The texts are said to reflect a community “euphoric”11 over Cyrus’s conquests and “obsessed with ideological constructions and memories” of monarchy, exile, and hopes of return, redemption, and utopian renewal.12 Biblical writings, it is argued, assume a stable, divinely ordered world13—Egypt being the hostile exception14—and express faith in a future golden age following national disaster.15 Since these themes align with conditions in sixth- to fourth-century Jerusalem—peace, absence of native kingship, imperial recognition of a universal “God of heaven,” and enmity toward Egypt—Jerusalem is posited as their setting. Underlying this view is the assumption of returning priests, scribes, and others from Babylonia, as depicted in the Bible, though archaeology yields no evidence even for small-scale repatriation.16

Linking literary themes to archaeological contexts without accompanying justification is logically flawed, as Benjamin Sommer17 and Jon Levenson have shown18. The error lies in overlooking alternative historical settings that could also match the literature. One example19 is Konrad Schmid, who, despite acknowledging Sommer’s critique, continues this approach “with due caution.”20 In doing so, he repeats the same mistake: identifying the “God of heaven” as a Persian-period concept among Jehudians21 while neglecting the possibility of Hellenistic influence on Pentateuchal authors. Ironically, his cited source discusses both Persian and Hellenistic usages, yet the latter is deemed inconceivable as a formative context for biblical literature.22 An inverted version of this error occurs when archaeological data are used to exclude Persian-period composition. Thus Finkelstein argues that some biblical narratives emphasize places irrelevant to Persian Yehud and thus could not have been written then.23 Such reasoning ignores the likelihood that Persian-period scribes engaged with earlier materials and fails to consider other forms of ideological or cultural relevance.

A concept or setting associated with Persian culture need not have been adopted during the Persian period itself. Hellenistic writers, for instance, are known to have looked back to Persian times for ideological or literary inspiration, idealizing a pre-Alexandrian past.24

Linguistic evidence has likewise been used to support a Persian-period provenance for the Pentateuch or parts of it—and also to challenge such dating on “ideological” grounds.25 These debates remain unresolved.26 Even paleo-Hebrew is ambiguous: it appears both in early inscriptions and in Hellenistic-Hasmonean coins, showing that the script was revived after the Persian period.27

Part Two

Turning to Jerusalem, population estimates potentially show whether a viable literary scribal elite could have existed.

southwestern hillMap illustrating extent of the southwestern hill area that ceased to be occupied after 586 BCE.28

Jerusalem’s inhabited area shrank drastically in the Persian period; archaeologists agree the southwestern hill was abandoned.29

Population estimates for the city by the late fourth century range from 5,000 to as few as 400.30 The latter figure could hardly sustain a scribal elite capable of advanced literary production.

If Yehud was so small and impoverished, how could its social and religious elites have supported the literary activity attributed to this era?31

Oded Lipschits, noted for his detailed analysis of Jerusalem’s Babylonian and Persian-period archaeology,32 estimates a population of 1,000–1,250,33 possibly up to 3,000 for Jerusalem and its environs.34 The gap between his figure and the lowest estimates (400–500) stems mainly from how “negative evidence” is interpreted.35 By including the Ophel hill—where no Persian structures, floors, or pottery have been found—Lipschits doubles Finkelstein’s estimate.36 Lipschits justifies this by hypothesis and assumption:37 he points to (a) an adjacent area where pottery sherds were dumped and (b) his own reasons for believing that the area would have attracted occupation.38 This reasoning—interpreting an absence of evidence through speculative hypothesis—is not unique to Lipschits; Finkelstein has explained in detail why he rejects such an approach.39

OphelLipschits’ map showing the extent of the Ophel area beside the rest of the city.
Not immediately clear in this map but a point that should be noted when assessing debates over habitation is that
the Ophel area is an incline between the Temple Mount and City of David.
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Scribal elites required financial backing: writing materials were expensive, archives demanded long-term upkeep, and schools needed sustained support throughout the Persian period. Such activity presupposes a sufficient tax base, comparable to that supporting administrative or military staff.41 Yet archaeology offers no evidence that Jerusalem functioned as an economic or administrative hub. Moza, about 7 km away, shows denser remains indicating a more active economy,42 while Ramat Raḥel, 3 km south, served as the province’s fifth-century administrative centre.43 Zwickel adds another indicator of Jerusalem’s economic insignificance:

If one considers the location of the Persian-period settlements north of Jerusalem, they all appear not to have been oriented toward the city of Jerusalem. Rather, they lie in the immediate vicinity of a road that leads up from the Jordan Rift and descends toward Jaffa. It was not Jerusalem that was of significance for these settlements; the forts were not intended to protect the way into the holy city, but to secure the trade between Transjordan and the Mediterranean coast. (AI translation) 44

Though “depopulated and impoverished”,45 Jerusalem has been proposed as a pilgrimage centre.46 Its temple supposedly attracted regular visitors from afar. Comparisons have been made with other low population yet frequented cult centres—Delphi, Olympia, and Praeneste47—none of which was known for sophisticated scribal activity.48 The idea presupposes that biblical traditions were part of people’s consciousness so early – which of course is what is being questioned here. Zwickel even wonders whether anyone saw a reason to build a temple in the early part of the Persian period.49 Nonetheless, correspondence from the Jewish colony in Elephantine, dated 407 BCE, is addressed “the High Priest and his colleagues [or “brothers”] the priests who are in Jerusalem”,50 so we can infer by the end of the fifth century Jerusalem did have a cult centre, presumably a modest temple of some kind, supporting multiple priests. Notably, the letter was written in Aramaic, not Hebrew.51 Further, both papyri remains and the iconography associated with the Yahwist temple in Elephantine attest to a polytheistic cult that the Jerusalem priests were expected to recognize.52 The cultic practices of Elephantine were inconsistent with Pentateuchal laws,53 raising further difficulties if Jerusalem scribes at this time were developing the Pentateuch.

Archaeological finds that have been associated with pilgrimages to Jerusalem are coins. These coins bear paleo-Hebrew inscriptions naming “Yehud”54. They are from the later half of the fourth century55 and are the only artefacts from Persian Yehud that contain Hebrew script.56 Being of low denomination they are often thought to have served in the temple cult, providing indirect support for Jerusalem as a pilgrimage centre. This inference must be balanced against two facts: their iconography—such as the ear and the deity on a winged throne—parallels pagan cult imagery;57 and Jerusalem priests evidently accepted another Yahwist temple outside Jerusalem. Without assuming that the Hebrew scriptures were already authoritative and prescribed Jerusalem’s cultic centrality, there is no evidence that it functioned as a pilgrimage centre. Materially, Jerusalem shows no sign of being either a pilgrimage or literary hub.

What is of particular significance, however, even if one accepts a population double or more than Finkelstein’s “minimalist” estimate, the crucial fact remains—emphasized at the outset of this essay—that throughout two centuries of Persian rule there is a “total disappearance of Hebrew” in Yehud.58 Evidence for scribal activity in the language of the Hebrew Bible does not reappear until the Hellenistic period.

There is almost a complete absence of Hebrew inscriptions from the Persian province of Yehud. Until the mid-third century B.C.E., practically no evidence exists of writing in Hebrew (apart from the Bible). Ironically, this is exactly the time when Biblical Hebrew literature is supposedly exploding, when Biblical Hebrew literature has its magical moment.59

Aramaic, the language of Persian administration, not Hebrew, is found in inscriptions.

Administrative scribal outputs (specifically here, seal impressions on jar handles) are hardly evidence for literary activity but it is nonetheless worth noting that the name Yehud appears only in Aramaic script.60 Only in late Hellenistic (Hasmonean) times does it appear in paleo-Hebrew.61 The name for Jerusalem (yršlm) itself is unattested in the Persian period, emerging only in Hellenistic administrative contexts when Hebrew script began to replace Aramaic.62 For this reason, along with sixth century Babylonian references to Jerusalem as the “city of Yehud”, Ya’akov Meshorer has even questioned whether Jerusalem was known by that name among administrators until after the Persian period.63 This potentially further weakens the idea that Jerusalem had any distinctive status.

One might suggest that Hebrew literary works have simply been lost because they were written on papyrus. Yet if scribes had engaged in Hebrew literary activity, some trace would likely appear in other media—seals, bullae, or ostraca.64 Though papyrus decays, scrolls were labelled with appropriate clay-based identification. Scribes would have their own seals. All indications point to scribes working exclusively in Aramaic administrative contexts.

Despite the absence of archaeological evidence for sophisticated literary activity in Jerusalem, and despite the positive evidence for a very low population, scholars still imagine a thriving post-586 scribal culture producing an advanced literary heritage. The reason appears to be interpreting both positive and negative archaeological evidence through biblical narratives. Even where the justification for this scenario is not made explicit it nonetheless is present, as can be seen in the work of Lipschits. Lipschits, as pointed out above (note 30), is among the most prolific authors of archaeological data on Jerusalem and Yehud. His studies frequently note how closely his population estimates closely match those in Nehemiah—sometimes uses Nehemiah through which to reconstruct Jerusalem,65 at other times claiming the figures merely coincide with archaeological results.66 (In one publication he criticizes scholars who cite different Nehemiah passages when proposing “minimalist” population estimates.67) For this reason, his methods warrant scrutiny—as has been done in part by Finkelstein (note 37 above) and Avraham Faust.68

Faust contends that the Babylonian conquest caused such a sharp break in material culture that the Persian province of Yehud should be viewed as a “post-collapse society”.69 A frequent feature of a post-collapse society is a precipitous population collapse (75-90%), not only in the urban areas but also in their rural hinterlands.70 Social order collapses, self-sufficiency increases, trade and specialized crafts fade from view, urban construction largely ceases or reuses older structures, much of it recycling older buildings, and the archaeological record is notably more ephemeral.71 For Faust, Tainter’s analysis of “post-collapse societies” fits the evidence for Persian period Jerusalem.

Jerusalem changesMaps illustrating the extent of Jerusalem in the late Iron Age, Persian and Hellenistic periods.72

Analyzing various population estimates for the Persian period, including those of Lipschits, Faust concludes that soon after 586 BCE the population in Jerusalem’s administrative zone fell to about 20% of its pre-destruction level, reaching only a third of its late Iron Age size some 250 years later.73 Lipschits agrees that certain areas saw dramatic declines but disputes that they applied to all regions.74 While this essay cannot review the full debate between Lipschits, Faust, and Finkelstein, two archaeological indicators merit emphasis. Both point to a profound cultural and sociological rupture after 586: the disappearances of the four-room house and the Judahite tombs.75

The four-room house, characteristic of Judahite society in Iron Age II, was more than a functional design: it reflected cultural patterns now lost, appearing across rural and urban settings, among rich and poor, fulfilling private and public functions, and even being a template for tombs.76 That it should disappear, without even the older houses being re-used, suggests a major cultural dislocation. Another break from the Iron Age is the absence of new or reused Judahite tombs in the Persian period.77 Only two such tombs have been found within Jerusalem.78 Lipschits acknowledges this is an indicator of the city’s “wretchedly poor”79 state. Yet later he attributed these disappearances more positively to reflecting “deep religious and social change.”80 Part of the rationale is the inability to accept that Babylonian deportations caused such devastation. Against this point, Faust cites evidence that deportations alone were not the reason for the population collapse, but losses also that resulted from famine, disease, massacres, fleeing refugees that are known to have accompanied such wars.81

Returning to the literary perspective, it deserves notice that post-collapse societies often develop a post-collapse mythology of what went before:

Often the fall of early states and empires comes later to represent a paradise lost, a golden age of good government, wise rule, harmony, and peace, when all was right with the world.82

This outlook contrasts sharply with the biblical literature, which portrays the past not as an ideal age but as one of repeated apostasies requiring repentance. Yet even here a leading archaeologist has recreated memories of a golden age among a section of those inhabiting Jerusalem’s ruins, as the following explains.

At the same conference that featured the Finkelstein quotation cited at the start of this essay, Lipschits uncontroversially described Jerusalem as “sparse and poor residences built into the ruins of the Iron Age city.”83 He highlighted a two-storey house showing evidence of a plentiful food supply, presumably from trade with the Phoenician coast84, suggesting a relatively prosperous household. Notably, Lipschits interprets these finds—and even the thoughts and memories of those living among these ruins— through passages from Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Haggai, Zechariah, Ezra-Nehemiah, demonstrating how scriptural references shape his reading of both the evidence and the “negative evidence”.

we should interpret the “return to Zion” as a slow and gradual process of a very small number . . . of the exiled elite, who did not leave an imprint on the archaeological data85

assuming that they contain some historical reliability86

with no support from any other source87

The paper constructs the mentalities, historical consciousness and memories of two distinct groups in Jerusalem: descendants of those who had remained in the land and elite descendants of deportees who had (without leaving a trace in the ground) returned. The former, on looking every day at the ruins around them, are said to have recalled the past as a glorious era that was ruined because of the sins of the elites. The elites returned, looking down on the “remainees”, wondering if now was the right time to rebuild the temple. The ideological debates Lipschits constructs, and even the existence of two groups, is entirely read into the meagre archaeological data from the biblical texts:

The existence of both perspectives is most clearly expressed in the prophecy of Haggai . . . Zechariah 1:12–17 can also be interpreted in this direction, and Ezekiel . . . .

This is the basis of my attempt to understand the reality revealed in the archaeological excavations in Jerusalem.88

The reader is left to imagine a scribal elite, presumably sheltering in spaces eked out among ruins yet with access to writing materials and archived scrolls, with the means of sharing and passing on their skills, penning, editing, collating texts with the divergent ideological perspectives of the “remainees” and “returnees” in mind.

Faust applies the label “continuity school” to scholars who believe that, despite comparative impoverishment of the times, sophisticated scribal institutions survived the Babylonian conquest.89 Among others who share his criticisms of this school are Stern,90 Schniedewind,91 Oded,92 Vanderhooft.93 As a leading figure in this “continuity school”, Lipschits hews closely to both the archaeological data and to hypotheses to explain the absence of that data. At the same time he insists that the archaeological method has its limitations in historical research and warns against the “motivation and ‘hidden polemics’” of scholars whom he characterizes as proponents of “the myth of the empty land”.94 By proponents of the “empty land” myth he is referring to scholars like Faust and Stern who interpret the evidence as depicting a post-collapse society from which Jerusalem and its region took two and a half centuries to recover.

The material evidence presents Jerusalem as an impoverished region, catastrophically reduced both geographically and demographically, with scant remains of residential architecture, without any signs of Hebrew script except in a few late coins, with no sign of an affluent community present, with no unambiguous indicators of any of the rituals or observances to be found in the biblical texts. The material evidence suggests cultural practices that conflict with those biblical texts. The only evidence of scribal activity lies in the basic administrative tasks in Aramaic. The prevailing reconstruction of an adequate literary culture in Persian-period Jerusalem can be sustained, it appears, by resisting the “motivation and hidden polemics” that would read the biblical narratives into the “negative evidence”.

Endnotes

  1. Israel Finkelstein, “Archaeology’s Black Hole: Jerusalem and Yehud/Judea in the Persian and Early Hellenistic Periods,” paper presented at Yahwism under the Achaemenid empire (Prof. Shaul Shaked in memoriam), University of Haifa, December 21, 2022, video, 28:50, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T21U7tBCB8.
  2. There are a few exceptions who propose a single authorship: Bernard Barc, Siméon le Juste : l’auteur oublié de la Bible hébraïque, Judaïsme antique et origines du christianisme (Turnhout: Brepols, 2015); Philippe Wajdenbaum, Argonauts of the Desert: Structural Analysis of the Hebrew Bible (London: Equinox, 2011); Jan-Wim Wesselius, Origin of the History of Israel: Herodotus’ Histories as Blueprint for the First Books of the Bible (London: Sheffield Academic Press, 2002).
  3. John Van Seters, The Edited Bible: The Curious History of the “Editor” in Biblical Criticism (Winona Lake, Ind: Eisenbrauns, 2006), 1; William M. Schniedewind, How the Bible Became a Book: The Textualization of Ancient Israel (Cambridge ; New York: Cambridge University Press, 2005), 171f; Philip R. Davies, Scribes and Schools: The Canonization of the Hebrew Scriptures (Louisville, Ky.: Westminster John Knox Press, 1998), 79. It should be noted that Van Seters argues against the prevailing notion of editors producing the biblical works through cut-and-paste methods.
  4. Ehud Ben Zvi, “The Urban Center of Jerusalem and the Development of the Literature of the Hebrew Bible,” in Urbanism in Antiquity: From Mesopotamia to Crete, ed. Walter E. Aufrecht, Neil A. Mirau, and Steven W. Gauley (Sheffield: Sheffield Academic Press, 1997), 195ff.
  5. Von Wolfgang Zwickel, “Jerusalem und Samaria zur Zeit Nehemias,” Biblische Zeitschrift 52, no. 2 (December 2008): 203; Schniedewind, How the Bible Became a Book, 165ff; Hans M. Barstad, “After the ‘Myth of the Empty Land’:  Major Challenges in the Study of  Neo-Babylonian Judah,” in Judah and the Judeans in the Neo-Babylonian Period, ed. Oded Lipschits and Hans M. Barstad (Winona Lake, Ind: Eisenbrauns, 2003), 4; Charles E. Carter, The Emergence of Yehud in the Persian Period: A Social and Demographic Study (Sheffield: Sheffield Academic Press, 1999), 286; Ben Zvi, “The Urban Center of Jerusalem and the Development of the Literature of the Hebrew Bible,” 196.
  6. Barstad, “After the ‘Myth of the Empty Land’,” 4.
  7. Oded Lipschits, “Between Archaeology and Text: A Reevaluation of the Development Process of Jerusalem in the Persian Period,” in Congress Volume Helsinki 2010, Supplements to Vetus Testamentum (Helsinki: Brill, 2012), 148:152.
  8. Jill Middlemas, The Troubles of Templeless Judah (New York: Oxford University Press, 2005), 8ff; Rainer Albertz, Israel in Exile: The History and Literature of the Sixth Century B.C.E, Studies in Biblical Literature (Atlanta: Society of Biblical Literature, 2003), 93ff; Neil Asher Silberman and Israel Finkelstein, The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology’s New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Texts (New York: Touchstone, 2002), 306f; Hans M. Barstad, The Myth of the Empty Land: A Study in the History and Archaeology of Judah During the “Exilic” Period (Oslo: Scandinavian University Press, 1996).
  9. Niels Peter Lemche, Ancient Israel: A New History of Israel, 2nd edition (London: T&T Clark, 2015), 82f; Hans M. Barstad, “History and the Hebrew Bible ; The Myth of the Empty Land ; The Babylonian Captivity of the Book of Isaiah ; A Way in the Wilderness” (Doctor of Divinity, University of Edinburgh, 2010), 94; Middlemas, The Troubles of Templeless Judah, 70; Silberman and Finkelstein, The Bible Unearthed, 307; Davies, Scribes and Schools, 63f; Ben Zvi, “The Urban Center of Jerusalem and the Development of the Literature of the Hebrew Bible,” 196.
  10. Oded Lipschits and Joseph Blenkinsopp, eds., Judah and the Judeans in the Neo-Babylonian Period (Winona Lake, Ind: Eisenbrauns, 2003), 365.
  11. Albert de Pury, “Sem, Cham et Japhet. De la fraternité à l’esclavage?” in Κορυφαίῳ Ἀνδρί: Mélanges Offerts à André Hurst, ed. Antje Kolde, Alessandra Lukinovich, and André-Louis Rey, Recherches et Rencontres 22 (Genève: Droz, 2005), 502.
  12. Ehud Ben Zvi, Social Memory Among the Literati of Yehud, Beihefte Zur Zeitschrift Für Die Alttestamentliche Wissenschaft, Volume 509 (Berlin: De Gruyter, 2019), 39.
  13. Konrad Schmid, “How to Identify a Persian Period Text in the Pentateuch,” in On Dating Biblical Texts to the Persian Period: Discerning Criteria and Establishing Epochs, ed. Richard J. Bautch and Mark Lackowski, Forschungen Zum Alten Testament. 2. Reihe, 101 (Tübingen: Mohr Siebeck, 2019), 103.
  14. Schmid, 112.
  15. Konrad Schmid, The Old Testament: A Literary History, trans. Linda M. Maloney (Minneapolis, Minn.: Fortress Press, 2012), 146ff.
  16. Oded Lipschits and Manfred Oeming, eds., Judah and the Judeans in the Persian Period (Winona Lake, Ind: Eisenbrauns, 2006), 32.
  17. Benjamin D. Sommer, “Dating Pentateuchal Texts and the Perils of Pseudo-Historicism,” in The Pentateuch: International Perspectives on Current Research, ed. Thomas B Dozeman, Konrad Schmid, and Baruch J Schwartz (Tübingen: Mohr Siebeck, 2011), 85–108.
  18. Jon D. Levenson, “Theological Consensus or Historicist Evasion? Jews and Christians in Biblical Studies,” in The Hebrew Bible, the Old Testament, and Historical Criticism: Jews and Christians in Biblical Studies (Louisville, Ky: Westminster John Knox Press, 1993), 82–105.
  19. Examples could be multiplied. Another illustration of the potential subjectivity of this method of argument is the assignment of the Table of Nations either to the conditions of the sixth century—“l’œuvre ne peut être postérieure au règne de Cyrus” as per de Pury, “Sem, Cham et Japhet,” 502—but to the third century—“the Table of Nations consistently reflected political realities of the period 273-269 BCE” per Russell E. Gmirkin, Berossus and Genesis, Manetho and Exodus: Hellenistic Histories and the Date of the Pentateuch (New York: T&T Clark, 2006), 163.
  20. Schmid, “How to Identify a Persian Period Text in the Pentateuch,” 101f.
  21. “Jews” seems to be anachronistic for this time period.
  22. Schmid, “How to Identify a Persian Period Text in the Pentateuch,” 115; Stefan Beyerle, “The ‘God of Heaven’ in Persian and Hellenistic Times,” in Other Worlds and Their Relation to This World: Early Jewish and Ancient Christian Traditions, ed. Tobias Nicklas et al. (Leiden: Brill Academic, 2010), 17–36.
  23. Israel Finkelstein, “Jerusalem and Judah 600-200 BCE: Implications for Understanding Pentateuchal Texts,” in The Fall of Jerusalem and the Rise of the Torah, ed. Peter Dubovsky, Dominik Markl, and Jean-Pierre Sonnet (Tübingen: Mohr Siebeck, 2016), 10ff.
  24. Benedikt Eckhardt, “Memories of Persian Rule: Constructing History and Ideology in Hasmonean Judea,” in Persianism in Antiquity, ed. Rolf Strootman and Miguel John Versluys (Stuttgart: Franz Steiner Verlag, 2017), 255f. Contrast general scholarly approaches to Esther and Nehemiah: the former is recognized as a Hellenistic novella set in Persian times while the latter, with its autobiographical tone and abundance of statistics, is usually assumed to be at some level a historical Persian period narrative–despite archaeological studies that identify its details with the Hasmonean period.
  25. Gary A. Rendsburg, “Some False Leads in the Identification of Late Biblical Hebrew Texts: The Cases of Genesis 24 and 1 Samuel 2:27-36,” Journal of Biblical Literature 121, no. 1 (2002): 45, https://doi.org/10.2307/3268329
  26. Avi Hurvitz, “The Recent Debate on Late Biblical Hebrew: Solid Data, Experts’ Opinions, and Inconclusive Arguments,” Hebrew Studies 47 (2006): 191–210; Martin; Ziony Zevit, “What a Difference a Year Makes: Can Biblical Texts Be Dated Linguistically?” Hebrew Studies 47 (2006): 83–91; Ian Young, “Biblical Texts Cannot Be Dated Linguistically,” Hebrew Studies 46 (2005): 341–51.
  27. Ya’akov Meshorer, A Treasury of Jewish Coins, trans. Robert Amoils (New York: Amphora Books, 2001), 40; Mark David McLean, “The Use and Development of Palaeo-Hebrew in the Hellenistic and Roman Periods” (Doctor of Philosophy, Harvard University, 1985).
  28. Nitzan Shalom et al., “How Is a City Destroyed? New Archaeological Data on the Babylonian Campaign to Jerusalem,” in New Studies in the Archaeology of Jerusalem and Its Region: Collected Papers XIII (Hidushim ba-arkheologyah shel Yerushalayim u-sevivoteha), ed. Orit Peleg-Barkat et al. (Jerusalem: Israel Antiquities Authority, 2019), 239.
  29. Israel Finkelstein, Jerusalem the Center of the Universe: Its Archaeology and History (1800–100 BCE) (Atlanta: SBL Press, 2024), 249; Geva, Hillel, “Summary and Discussion of Finds from Areas A, W and X-2,” in Jewish Quarter Excavations in the Old City of Jerusalem, Vol. II: The Finds from Areas A, W and X-2, Final Report, ed. Hillel Geva (Jerusalem: Israel Exploration Society, 2003), 525.
  30. Hillel Geva, “Jerusalem’s Population in Antiquity: A Minimalist View,” Tel Aviv 41, no. 2 (October 2014): 142f, https://doi.org/10.1179/0334435514Z.00000000041
  31. Carter, The Emergence of Yehud in the Persian Period, 285; see also: Schniedewind, How the Bible Became a Book, 166. Carter answers his question in the positive by accepting the very high ratio of specialist classes present according to Ezra and Nehemiah (287f). Schniedewind answers the same question by postulating a handful of scribes doing little more than preserving rather than creating that literature in the Persian period.
  32. Avraham Faust, Judah in the Neo-Babylonian Period: The Archaeology of Desolation (Atlanta: Society of Biblical Literature, 2012), 8.
  33. Lipschits, “Between Archaeology and Text,” 155; Oded Lipschits, “Persian Period Finds from Jerusalem: Facts and Interpretations,” The Journal of Hebrew Scriptures 9 (2009): 18, https://doi.org/10.5508/jhs.2009.v9.a20
  34. Oded Lipschits, The Fall and Rise of Jerusalem (Winona Lake, Ind.: Eisenbrauns, 2005), 271. This 3,000 figure appears to be a casual rounding up of the 2,750 figure as calculated and listed on the previous page. It happily coincides with the biblical claim of Jerusalem’s population size: 3,044 according to Nehemiah 11:3-24 (Lipschits, 162).
  35. There are also debates about the most reliable coefficient to use in estimating population per dunam or hectare. Lipchits has been criticized for using the same coefficient for Jerusalem in both the late Iron Age and the Persian period: Israel Finkelstein, “The Territorial Extent and Demography of Yehud/Judea in the Persian and Early Hellenistic Periods,” Revue Biblique 117, no. 1 (2010): 44f; Avraham Faust, “Settlement Dynamics and Demographic Fluctuations in Judah from the Late Iron Age to the Hellenistic Period and the Archaeology of Persian-Period Yehud,” in Time of Change: Judah and Its Neighbours in the Persian and Early Hellenistic Periods, ed. Yigal Levin (London: T&T Clark, 2007), 35; Oded Lipschits, “Demographic Changes in Judah Between the Seventh and the Fifth Centuries B.C.E.,” in Judah and the Judeans in the Neo-Babylonian Period, ed. Oded Lipschits and Joseph Blenkinsopp (Winona Lake, Ind: Eisenbrauns, 2003), 326.
  36. Israel Finkelstein, “Persian Period Jerusalem and Yehud: A Rejoinder,” Journal of Hebrew Scriptures 9, no. 24 (2009): 10.
  37. Finkelstein (above) responds to another critic with: “This is a hypothesis based on an assumption . . . which is not supported by a single find” (8).
  38. Lipschits, “Persian Period Finds from Jerusalem,” 19f; Lipschits, “Between Archaeology and Text,” 153f.
  39. Finkelstein, “Persian Period Jerusalem and Yehud: A Rejoinder,” 10f.
  40. Lipschits, “Persian Period Finds from Jerusalem,” 21.
  41. Ben Zvi, Social Memory Among the Literati of Yehud, 636ff; Zwickel, “Jerusalem und Samaria zur Zeit Nehemias,” 220f; Gary N. Knoppers and Bernard M. Levinson, eds., The Pentateuch as Torah: New Models for Understanding Its Promulgation and Acceptance (Winona Lake, Ind.: Eisenbrauns, 2007), 145ff, 169; Davies, Scribes and Schools, 74ff.
  42. Zwickel, “Jerusalem und Samaria zur Zeit Nehemias,” 213.
  43. Oded Lipschits, “Shedding New Light on the Dark Years of the ‘Exilic Period’: New Studies, Further Elucidation, and Some Questions Regarding the Archaeology of Judah as an “Empty Land”,” in Interpreting Exile: Interdisciplinary Studies of Displacement and Deportation in Biblical and Modern Contexts, ed. Brad Kelle, Frank Richard Ames, and Jacob L. Wright (Atlanta: Brill, 2011), 73; Nadav Na’aman, “An Assyrian Residence at Ramat Raḥel?,” Tel Aviv 28 (2001): 274f.
  44. Zwickel, “Jerusalem und Samaria zur Zeit Nehemias,” 209. Original: “Betrachtet man die Lage der perserzeitlichen Ortslagen im Norden Jerusalems, so scheinen sie allesamt nicht auf die Stadt Jerusalem bezogen gewesen zu sein. Vielmehr liegen sie in unmittelbarer Nähe einer Straße, die vom Jordangraben heraufführt und nach Jaffa hinabführt. Nicht Jerusalem war für diese Ortslagen von Bedeutung; die Forts sollten nicht den Weg in die heilige Stadt schützen, sondern den Handel zwischen Ostjordanland und Mittelmeerküste sicherstellen.”
  45. Schniedewind, How the Bible Became a Book, 165.
  46. Patrick Wyssmann, “The Coinage Imagery of Samaria and Judah in the Late Persian Period,” in A “Religious Revolution” in Yehûd? The Material Culture of the Persian Period as a Test Case, ed. Christian Frevel, Katharina Pyschny, and Izak Cornelius, Orbis Biblicus et Orientalis 267 (Fribourg: Academic Press, 2014), 255; Zwickel, “Jerusalem und Samaria zur Zeit Nehemias,” 216; Melody D. Knowles, Centrality Practiced: Jerusalem in the Religious Practice of Yehud and the Diaspora during the Persian Period (Atlanta: Society of Biblical Literature, 2006), 77ff.
  47. Knowles, Centrality Practiced, 103.
  48. Since writing the above it has been pointed out to me that the many inscriptions associated with those sites do indicate literate communities meeting there. No comparable evidence in Jerusalem suggests any “literati” gatherings at its sacred centre.
  49. Zwickel, “Jerusalem und Samaria zur Zeit Nehemias,” 214. “Who would have come?”
  50. Bezalel Porten, The Elephantine Papyri in English: Three Millennia of Cross-Cultural Continuity and Change (Leiden: Brill, 1996), 142.
  51. Porten, 139.
  52. Bob Becking, Identity in Persian Egypt: The Fate of the Yehudite Community of Elephantine (University Park, Pa.: Eisenbrauns, 2020), 30–53.
  53. Ernst Axel Knauf, “Elephantine und das vor-biblische Judentum,” in Religion und Religionskontakte im Zeitalter der Achämeniden, ed. Reinhard G. Kratz (Gütersloh: Gütersloher Verlaghaus, 2002), 179–88.
  54. Meshorer, A Treasury of Jewish Coins, 3–5, 8.
  55. Zwickel, “Jerusalem und Samaria zur Zeit Nehemias,” 213 “Yehud-Münzen tauchen … nicht vor 360 v. Chr.”; Ephraim Stern, Archaeology of the Land of the Bible, Volume II: The Assyrian, Babylonian, and Persian Periods (New Haven, Conn.: Yale University Press, 2001), 582. “As regards Judaean coinage . . . . There is a consensus among numismatists that all the Palestinian coins were minted in the 4th century BCE and that not a single example dates to the late 6th or the beginning of the 5th centuries BCE.”
  56. Finkelstein, “Archaeology’s Black Hole,” video 29:15; Finkelstein, “Jerusalem and Judah 600-200 BCE,” 9.
  57. Ya’akov Meshorer, Ancient Jewish Coinage Volume I: Persian Period Through Hasmonaeans, trans. I. H. Levine (New York: Amphora Books, 1982), 28; Meshorer, A Treasury of Jewish Coins, 2–12.
  58. Finkelstein, “Jerusalem and Judah 600-200 BCE,” 9; Seth L. Sanders, The Invention of Hebrew (Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 2009), 166. The quoted phrase above is from Sanders.
  59. Schniedewind, How the Bible Became a Book, 177. Schniedewind is overly cautious. It would have been more accurate to omit the words “almost” and “practically” unless he is thinking of late fourth century coins.
  60. Oded Lipschits and David S. Vanderhooft, The Yehud Stamp Impressions: A Corpus of Inscribed Impressions from the Persian and Hellenistic Periods in Judah (Winona Lake: Eisenbrauns, 2011), passim.
  61. Hillel Geva, A Chronological Reevaluation of Yehud Stamp Impressions in Palaeo-Hebrew Script, Based on Finds from Excavations in the Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem. Tel Aviv 34 (2007): 92-103., 2007, 92ff.
  62. Efrat Bocher and Oded Lipschits, “The Yršlm Stamp Impressions on Jar Handles: Distribution, Chronology, Iconography and Function,” Tel Aviv 40, no. 1 (2013): 99ff, https://doi.org/10.1179/033443513X13612671397468
  63. Meshorer, A Treasury of Jewish Coins, 6.
  64. Finkelstein, “Jerusalem and Judah 600-200 BCE,” 10, 14f.
  65. Lipschits and Oeming, Judah and the Judeans in the Persian Period, 40.
  66. Lipschits, “Between Archaeology and Text,” 147; Lipschits, The Fall and Rise of Jerusalem, 271.
  67. Lipschits, “Persian Period Finds from Jerusalem,” 4.
  68. Faust, Judah in the Neo-Babylonian Period, 129–31. “For example, he did not compare the same regions in all periods. The Persian period’s demographic estimation did not include regions that were outside the yehud province; however, these regions were included in his Iron Age calculations. Therefore, the comparison is misleading, and the population of the Persian period should be increased (see below for corrections, based on his own data). Lipschits’s figures, on the other hand, err in favor of the Persian period for many reasons…..”
  69. Avraham Faust, “Social, Cultural and Demographic Changes in Judah During the Transition from the Iron Age to the Persian Period and the Nature of the Society during the Persian Period,” in From Judah to Judaea: Socio-Economic Structures and Processes in the Persian Period, ed. Johannes Unsok Ro (Sheffield: Sheffield Phoenix Press, 2013), 108–34.
  70. Joseph A. Tainter, “Post-Collapse Societies,” in Companion Encyclopedia of Archaeology, ed. Graeme Barker (London: Routledge, 1999), 1021. Faust draws his concept of a post-collapse society from Tainter’s study.
  71. Tainter, 1021–24, 31.
  72. Geva, “Jerusalem’s Population in Antiquity,” 140ff. Note that the contrast is even more pronounced if the Ophel hill area is removed since there are no Persian period finds there at all.
  73. Faust, “Social, Cultural and Demographic Changes in Judah,” 123.
  74. Lipschits, “Demographic Changes in Judah Between the Seventh and the Fifth Centuries B.C.E.”
  75. Faust, “Settlement Dynamics and Demographic Fluctuations in Judah,” 42f.
  76. Faust, Judah in the Neo-Babylonian Period, 101.
  77. Faust, 98f. These tombs were, of course, for the well-to-do.
  78. Zwickel, “Jerusalem und Samaria zur Zeit Nehemias,” 210.
  79. Lipschits and Oeming, Judah and the Judeans in the Persian Period, 31.
  80. Lipschits, “Shedding New Light on the Dark Years of the ‘Exilic Period’,” 74.
  81. Faust, Judah in the Neo-Babylonian Period, 186.
  82. Tainter, “Post-Collapse Societies,” 1028.
  83. Oded Lipschits, “‘Those Who Live in These Ruins in the Land of Israel’ (Ezekiel 33:24): Some Thoughts on Living in the Shadow of Ruins in Persian-Period Judah,” in Yahwism Under the Achaemenid Empire: Professor Shaul Shaked in Memoriam, ed. Gad Barnea and Reinhard G. Kratz (Boston: De Gruyter, 2024), 295, https://doi.org/10.1515/9783111018638-009. This is the published print version of the 2022 conference presentation.
  84. Lipschits, 297.
  85. Lipschits, 292f.
  86. Lipschits, 293.
  87. Lipschits, 296.
  88. Lipschits, 298.
  89. Faust, Judah in the Neo-Babylonian Period, 9.
  90. Ian Stern, “The Population of Persian-Period Idumea According to the Ostraca: A Study of Ethnic Boundaries and Ethnogenesis,” in Time of Change: Judah and Its Neighbours in the Persian and Early Hellenistic Periods, ed. Yigal Levin (London: T&T Clark, 2007), 205–38.
  91. Schniedewind, How the Bible Became a Book.
  92. B. Oded, “Where Is the ‘Myth of the Empty Land’ To Be Found?,” in Judah and the Judeans in the Neo-Babylonian Period, ed. Oded Lipschits and Joseph Blenkinsopp (Winona Lake, Ind: Eisenbrauns, 2003), 55–74.
  93. David Vanderhooft, “Babylonian Strategies of Imperial Control in the West: Royal Practice and Rhetoric,” in Judah and the Judeans in the Neo-Babylonian Period, ed. Oded Lipschits and Joseph Blenkinsopp (Winona Lake, Ind: Eisenbrauns, 2003), 235–62.
  94. Lipschits, “Shedding New Light on the Dark Years of the ‘Exilic Period’,” 58.

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17 thoughts on “Evidence Against Jerusalem in Persian Times Producing the Hebrew Bible”

  1. I think I need to go back to history 101 here, as I have unlearned too many basic “facts” from reading your work! (that is a compliment)

    The basic background we were all taught was the the Babylonians conquered Judea and took all the noble class into captivity and only the ‘Poor’ were left behind.

    Then of course in part 2, Cyrus decrees they can return (after a close shave with Haman and the Agagites! – OK that part is definitely fiction!)

    So, I gather that at least the first part of this narrative might be true, the Babylonians did conquer, but is there any evidence that they exiled the noble class, or was the depopulation more an economic after-effect? (Or both?)

    Then of course there is the supposed return.

    Would the evidence suggest there was a slow and gradual recovery rather than a magnificent return?

    Another sort of related question is, when did the Jewish Diaspora become a thing, and do we need to take it into account more to understand all this stuff?

    1. While preparing the above essay I learned that the Babylonian destruction of Jerusalem was far more catastrophic than many scholars have thought. The conventional view was that while many of the elites were deported to Babylonia, many also remained behind. The evidence of archaeology suggests that was an unlikely scenario — it was not only deportations that resulted in the drastic drop in population but also the other calamaties — wholesale massacres, refugees fleeing, famine, disease.

      The point — Jerusalem never really recovered until well into the Hellenistic period. (I can supply the references to support all of this. Just not right at the moment since I’m busy with other priorities.)

      Another detail I learned: scholars constantly speak of waves of returnees to Jerusalem and its province but at the same time they acknowledge there is “slight” (actually meaning “no”) evidence for these returnees. They left no mark in the remains. Why would many have wanted to return anyway? They would have settled with new livelihoods elsewhere. The notion that the Temple was the only place on earth for Yahweh worship is a biblical myth — and besides, we know Yahweh worship was always accommodated with the worship of other deities anyway. Even in Persian times.

      I was not researching the specific question of returnees but I was left wondering if the entire notion of them is another biblical myth — at least in Persian times.

      The evidence is against the model of a “slow gradual recovery” — despite that notion being repeated so often in the literature. The conditions in Jerusalem were impoverished, in a state of ruin, until well into the Hellenistic period. The population figures cited are more speculative than anything else, using methods that apply in other regions but not in the case of Yehud. Again — citations to support this will have to wait for a moment.

      1. It would seem that the three exile events that were meant to shape Judaism are mostly mythology. I get the impression that the evidence for an exile event following the Bar Kokhba revolt is ‘slight’ also.

        I suspect exile-mythicists are even less popular than Jesus mythicists, although surely far less egotistical 🙂

        1. What I find a little intriguing is the Galilean focus of the aftermath of the war. One often encounters a passage like this:

          The Judaean Jewish community never recovered from the Bar Kochba war. In its wake, Jews no longer formed the majority in Palestine, and the Jewish center moved to the Galilee. Jews were also subjected to a series of religious edicts promulgated by Hadrian that were designed to uproot the nationalistic elements within the Judaean Jewish community . . .

          Eshel, Hanan. “The Bar Kochba Revolt, 132-135.” In The Cambridge History of Judaism, Vol. 4: The Late Roman-Rabbinic Period, edited by Steven T. Katz, 105–27. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2006.

          Can one imagine a more coherent setting for the creation of the Gospel of Mark?

          — the inclusio shift to Galilee after the catastrophe in Judea,
          — a gospel foil to nationalistic messianism…
          — (and never forgetting Hermann Detering’s assigning of Mark 13 to the Hadrianic event)

          1. In the Galilee there are many remains of synagogues from the 3rd-6th centuries CE. To the south of that there are just a few, and they are from earlier times. And the Sanhedrin moved to the north as well. There is a list of cities in the Galilee where the 24 priestly families lived. There is the necropolis of Beth She’arim. So yes, Jewish life in Palestime definitely moved to the Galilee.

          2. Maybe a bit off topic, but I recently checked the incidence of geographical locations in the gospel of Marcion, and I was surprised how few names of locations could be found in this gospel. I looked at the reconstruction of the evangelion by Jason Beduhn as given in his book ‘The first new testament’. And yes, I know that this is a reconstruction, but if he had overlooked some other locations, then these locations are not strong attested in the patristic writings.

            Galilee is mentioned 3 times, once by mentioning that Capharnaum is a city of Galilee (Ev* 4:31), once about the women from Galilee at his tomb (Ev* 23:55), and once when the angel said ‘Remember what he spoke to you in Galilee’ at the empty tomb (Ev* 24:6). Peter is accused to be an Galilean in the story of his denial of Jesus (Ev* 22:59). The only cities in Galilee that are mentioned are Capharnaum (Ev* 4:31 and Ev*4:23) and Nazara (Ev* 4:16 – which most people think is Nazareth). There is no mention of for example the river Jordan or the Sea of Galilee.

            Judea is mentioned only once in Marcions gospel, only by mentioning that Pilate was governing Judea (Ev* 3:1). Judea is here not the name of the region, but the name of the roman province that besides Judea also included Galilee, Samaria, Perea and Idumea. Even more surprizing is that Jerusalem is found only once. In the ‘little apocalypse’ in Ev* 21:20 it reads ‘But whenever you may see Jerusalem being encircled by military camps, then know that her desolation has approached’. But no further mention of Jerusalem in the entire gospel narrative. The evangelion has references to the to the mount of olive (oil) (Ev* 21:37) and the place called Skull (Ev* 23:33), but the names of Getsemane and Golgotha (that would connect these places to Jerusalem) are not found. The only other city in Judea which is mentioned is Jericho (Ev* 18:35) in the story of the healing of a blind beggar.

            Samaria is only mentioned in Ev* 17:11 (the ten lepers story), and Samaritans are mentioned in Ev* 9:52 and Ev* 17:16.

            A reason why so few locations are mentioned in Marcions gospel is probably that it was composed in Rome (as Vinzent says) for an audience that was not necessarily familiar with the topography of Israel. If we assume that the gospel of Mark also was written outside Israel, and that the gospel of Mark and that of Marcion influenced each other, one might wonder whether the first redaction had maybe also only a few location names, and that location names were added by later redactors.

            The primary reason why all gospels start in Galilee is in my opinion the prophecy from Isaiah 9:1-2: ‘Drink this first. Act quickly, O land of Zabulon, land of Nephthalim, and the rest inhabiting the sea-coast, and the land beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles. O people walking in darkness, behold a great light: ye that dwell in the region and shadow of death, a light shall shine upon you.’. This prophecy connects Galilee with a messiah like figure (Isa 9:6-7, a child is born to us). The great light could be an allusion to the (divine) light from Gen 1:3, the start of a new creation. Zebulon is represented by the city of Nazara / Nazareth, Naphtali is represented by the city of Capernaum, and the rest inhabiting the sea coast are represented by the cities Tyrus and Sidon (Ev* 6:17).

            1. True, Galilee and Judea are scarcely mentioned, but the location is nonetheless clear, I think. There are several reminders that Jesus’ demise is at the temple, and as you point out, this time of calamity is associated with Olives and the Skull — both, I think, rich in emotional and theological symbolism appropriate for the events taking place under Pilate’s judgement.

              The prophecy in Isaiah about Galilee is certainly important. Was it the only reason for the gospel setting, though? Why did it resonate with the evangelist? If Galilee was still inflicted with war-time suffering to the same extent as Jerusalem in the time of the evangelist, would the evangelist had been as likely to single out Galilee as the land of hope, in contrast to Jerusalem as the place of the “oil press” and “the skull”?

      2. Earlier today I referred to the new evidence of the presence of people from Judah in the period of c. 596-c. 400 BCE. The (al-) Yahudu texts.

        The exile was never slavery. As a matter of fact, life in Mesopotamia was much more comfortable that in the mountains of Palestine. Always more than enough of foot. If we look at the documents in question, it seems to have been the practice to hand a piece of land to a guy, demanding that he during free periods served in the army. It could be as a common soldier or as a horseman — terms are there for both categories. So let’s say that Cyros allowed them to “return”… No, no, why, why should we!

        They never returned., not before 1951 during the aliyah called Ezra and Nehemiah.

        A picture that always catch my interest: Its from the Lachich reliefs from Korsabad, where we see the Assyrians storming the city: For those who resisted, a cruel fate, but you also see what happens to those who surrender and are led away, probably to Assyria: grown-ups and teenagers walking, but kids being driving in charts while the Assyrians soldier are playing with them. Propaganda, without doubt but the message is that we — the Assyrians — will provide for you.

        And why: Because man/humanpower was always in demand in antiquity. The Babylonians like before them the Assyrians were always in need of more men and their families to work the fields. You didn’t waste away people as ordinary slaves without hope. You provided a decent living for the deporteed people and turned them into useful subjects.

        1. “A picture that always catch my interest: Its from the Lachich reliefs from Korsabad, where we see the Assyrians storming the city: For those who resisted, a cruel fate, but you also see what happens to those who surrender and are led away, probably to Assyria:”

          I cannot remember whose writing I got this from, but it probably was not technologically possible at that time to transport an entire population. It was likely done only to the political and intellectual elite. Since they wrote the history, it seems 2 millennia later like no one was left behind.

  2. If I model the Ophel as a trapezoid, it comes at about 0.015 square kilometers with the measurements in the map. The City of David is somewhere between a triangle of 0.009 square kilometers and a rectangle of 0.018 kilometers square, so maybe 0.0135 square kilometers. If we take Lipschits’ lower estimate of 1000 over the sum of the 2 parts we get a density of over 35,000 people per square kilometer. I read that population density of 5th century BCE Athens is estimated at about 40,000 people per square kilometer. It looks like Lipschits starts with a relatively high population density. OTOH the 400-500 numbers for the City of David alone would imply a density of 30,000 – 37,000 people per square kilometer.

    Am I correct that the population estimates are based on deciding what area was populated and then multiplying by some assumed population density? If so how do they come by that assumption? I think the higher estimates (anything above 1250 people) require unreasonably high population densities.

    I did visit the archaeological site of the City of David back in the 1980s and I was impressed with how small the rooms were. I have no idea from which period the structure I visited was.

    1. You are correct. The most critical view of the coefficients used to arrive at population estimates per dunam or hectare that I came across is Geva’s article DOI 10.1179/0334435514Z.00000000041 — you will find it on both academia.edu and researchgate. Geva gives a minimalist view; Lipschits (who so often seems to interpret absences of finds in certain areas as offering reasonable explanations for accepting the narrative of Nehemiah) gives a much higher estimate and explains his coefficients in DOI 10.5508/jhs.2009.v9.a20 — again, downloadable via academia.edu and researchgate.

      (For those interested, all the references I relied on when discussing the population are endnotes 28 to 38.)

      I had hoped one day to visit so many places in Israel, Syria, Iraq, . . . . but somehow things have changed over the years and those dreams have very much faded.

      1. Well, or blown up (your last visit).

        I was in Syria for the last time in 2010. Loved to be there although at that time a cruel totalitarian state.

        Sitting at sunset at the old castle on a hilltop just west of Palmyra with my students … and now very little left. It was blown away by ISIS.

        So you have unfilled dreams. I have a completely broken memory.

        But if you one day the chance to visit Petra…

          1. As Kathleen Kenyon’s people said:

            All archaeology is destruction. You are destructing evidence. It can never be redone.

            Bad archaeology is destruction for no purpose.

            It was worse fifty years ago when many American and Israeli “archaeologists” were literarily bulldozing layers from, say 500 BCE and onwards. Reason: To get to the Israelite remains as fast as possible. And what was Israelite was determined by the Bible … and their way of reading it.

  3. Dear Neil,

    Thius is really a most illuminating text.

    I just finished the draft for the published text of a lecture I gave arranged by a university in Seoul — on-line —

    You may like this final part:

    Still, there is no reason to believe that nothing pre-Hellenistic could have survived. A most interesting example is preserved in Isaiah 27,1.

    On this day Yahweh will punish with his sword, the hard, big and strong one, / Leviathan the fleeing serpent, and Leviathan the winding serpent, / a kill the dragon which is in the sea.

    This line is identical to a line from the Ugaritic Ba’alu epic circle (KTU 1.I.1—2:

    For you killed Latanu, the fleeing serpent, you finished off the winding serpent, the mighty one with seven heads.

    By writing identical, I mean identical. Both in the Hebrew and Ugaritic texts we have a hapax legomena: עֲקַלָּת֑וֹ / Ugaritic ꟲqltn, “winding”. The word translated as “fleeing”, Hebrew בָּרִ֔חַ, is the same in Ugaritic brḥ. Leviathan / Latanu (Lotan) is of course the same, although different words are used for “serpent”, but both in Hebrew and Ugaritic the normal word for “serpent” is used.

    Isaiah 27,1 is part of the “little apocalypse”, a very late section of the Book of Isaiah, sometimes reckoned to be from the same period as the Book of Daniel. In time it is definitely Hellenistic, but still almost verbatim repeating a text from Ugarit, which will be more than 1100 years older. The correct conclusion will be that this line about Ba’al / Yahweh – the God who killed Latanu /Leviathan did survive at least from, say 1300 BCE to c. 150 BCE, without any fundamental chance. It also tells us about a continuity of the religious language and concepts that reaches back into the hoary past. And finally, it prevents us for arguing that everything you find in the Old Testament is Hellenistic. You cannot do much more than accepting our ignorance and keep the dialogue open.

    I wrote back in the conclusions to Early Israel (1985): that our most important duty is to accept our ignorance. Only when we accept our ignorance we can proceed to look at what (little) we know. This is the golden rule of all scholarship.

    Garbini quotes a churchfather from the 3rd century (or 4th?) telling us that Abraham conquered Damaskus and ruled there as king for some years. Spurious? Maybe, but that would explain the unexplainable note in Genesis 16 about who is to inherit childless Abraham. If you googfle Abraham, you will soon see how diversified it ll is, and that the OT version is only one among several others, only preserved in fragments. Another reminder that we only know what ancient writers (and artists) wanted to let us know.

    The fallacy of scholarship is that it priveledged the Bible to such a degree that it has been blind and produced a result which simply nonsense. And it has prevented generations for seriouys thinking about what we have.

    The project must by now be: What did the Hasmoneans do? Turned their backwater town into the center of the (Jewish — then Christian) world. Erased all alternatives. Made people accept even the most insane ideas, ignoring what is clear evidence of something else,

    Let me just ask: Why is Jerusalem not mentioned in the Pentateuch?

  4. Solid, well-reasoned, important research and conclusions. Added to my primary source material for understanding the scriptural evolution timetable. And the best place to access 1100 year old Ugaritic verse nuggets for insertion into a Hellenic-era text? The Library at Alexandria, that giant repository and scholarium.

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