2010-01-17

Paul’s understanding of the Earthly Leprechaun (not necessarily Historical) Jesus

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by Neil Godfrey

This post addresses an argument that is found well beyond the covers of Eddy and Boyd. Nevertheless, I have been discussing in this blog bits of Eddy’s and Boyd’s case for refuting what they label the “‘legendary Jesus’ thesis” and defending the historicity of Jesus, and to mention them here seems an appropriate anchor. One of their discussions I have not yet covered is about Paul’s apparent silence about the life of the human Jesus.

Eddy and Boyd write:

In this [the “legendary-Jesus theorists”] view, Paul’s silence indicates that he did not view Jesus as a recent historical figure. (p. 201)

What E&B mean by “legendary Jesus theorists” covers a range of views including those who propose there was no historical person at all:

In this work, we will use “legend” in its more popular sense of a substantially nonhistorical/fictional story. (p.13)

Here is Eddy and Boyd’s list Paul’s references (my numbering) to a “recent historical Jesus” (p. 209):

  1. he knew Jesus was born and raised a Jew (Gal. 4:4)
  2. he knew Jesus was a descendant of Abraham and David (Gal. 3:16; Rom. 1:3)
  3. he knew he had a brother named James (Gal.1:19)
  4. and perhaps other brothers as well (1 Cor. 9:5)
  5. he knew Jesus was meek, loving, humble and serving (2 Cor. 10:1; Phil. 2:5-7)
  6. he knew by their names disciples who ministered to Jesus (no reference supplied)
  7. he knew Jesus’s disciple Peter was married (reference supplied for a Cephas having a wife, only; not for Peter being a disciple of Jesus: 1 Cor. 9:5)
  8. he knew Jesus was betrayed (1 Cor. 11:23)
  9. he knew Jesus was crucified (1 Cor. 1:17-18; Gal. 5:1; 6:12; Phil. 2:8; 3:18 — but he omits here Paul’s reference to the responsible party — archons, or “rulers of the age”)
  10. he knew Jesus was crucified “with the help of Jews in Judea” (1 Thess 2:14-15)
  11. he knew Jesus instituted a memorial meal the night before his death (1 Cor. 11:23-25)
  12. he knew Jesus was buried and resurrected three days later (Rom. 4:24-25; 1 Cor. 15: 4-8)

This list is interesting in that there is not a single item that I can see as pointing to a “recent historical” person.

Perhaps what Eddy and Boyd meant was what are in fact references in Paul’s letters to the concept of an “earthly Jesus”. This is not the same concept  as an “historical Jesus”.

Another interesting thing happens when we return the above points to their original contexts. Following is what emerges about Paul’s belief in an earthly Jesus, at least by analogy.

Compare a report of a leprechaun who entered the human realm through being born of a woman.

English: Return of Arthur William by William D...
English: Return of Arthur William by William Dyce (1806-1864) (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

This woman is, moreover and most appropriately for a leprechaun, said to have been descended from King Arthur. In other versions of the tale she remained a ‘sealed virgin’ after giving birth.

This leprechaun in human form was defeated and killed in combat by goblins.

But he did not remain dead. He revived and returned to the leprechaun world whence he originally came. Once back seated in his former glory beside his father, the ruler of the leprechauns, he gave his daddy the right, according to the rules of the Emerald Isle, to adopt as personal sons all humans who believed the story.

And many years later a letter was “discovered” by a leprechaunist-marcionite branch of this cult and some time after it had passed through the catholicist-tertullian branch it included a claim that the author had met a brother of the goblin-defeated leprechaun-human.

The difference between belief in an “earthly” Jesus and an “historical” Jesus ought never be considered overly subtle.

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  • Steven Carr
    2010-01-18 16:16:57 UTC - 16:16 | Permalink

    Bart Ehrman told me in a private email that many scholars question the authenticity of the words ‘from the Lord’ in 1 Corinthians 11.

    (Jesus had remarkably good timing, instituting this meal just hours before his whereabouts were betrayed)

    So if the historical Jesus never said them, how can that be evidence for the historical Jesus?

    And how can it not be evidence for a mythical Jesus, if sayings of Jesus were being made up as early as that?

  • Steven Carr
    2010-01-18 16:19:01 UTC - 16:19 | Permalink

    ’10.he knew Jesus was crucified “with the help of Jews in Judea”’

    Are those the exact words of Boyd and Eddy?

    They can read 1 Thessalonians 2 and claim it says only that the Jews gave ‘help’ in the killing of Jesus?

    • 2010-01-18 20:05:42 UTC - 20:05 | Permalink

      E&B’s exact words, p.209, are:

      Paul also knew that Jesus was betrayed (1 Cor. 11:23) and that he was executed by crucifixion (1 Cor. 1:17-18; Gal. 5:11; 6:2; Phil. 2:8; 3:18) with the help of certain Judean Jews (1 Thess. 2:14-15).

      E&B seem to have a problem with accepting any hint of anti-semitism in the word of the Lord. On pages 213-214 they argue that this passage in Thessalonians only means “some” Jews. Paul would never blame all. After all, there were some good Jews too — and they proved it by forsaking their Jewishness and converting to Christianity. (Okay, that last sentence is my take on their argument.)

  • GakuseiDon
    2010-01-20 12:44:59 UTC - 12:44 | Permalink

    This list is interesting in that there is not a single item that I can see as pointing to a “recent historical” person.

    Neil, wouldn’t item 3 “he knew he had a brother named James (Gal.1:19)” do that?

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  • 2010-02-22 08:17:29 UTC - 08:17 | Permalink

    This isn’t quite what I expected. 🙂

    Magic is always surprising when one
    allows one’s self to be caught off guard.

    “Treasure the moment, not the belief.”

    Uncle Tree 2:21

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